Parts 1 to 4 were revealed; you can see the threads here: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pcgs-sub-2022-guess-the-grade-part-1-of-5.395475/ https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pcgs-sub-2022-guess-the-grade-part-2-of-5.395513/ https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pcgs-sub-2022-guess-the-grade-part-3-of-5.395542/ https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pcgs-sub-2022-guess-the-grade-part-4-of-5.395586/ Continuing onwards, here is part 5 of 5. Please guess the original grade and the new grade (originally PCGS and now PCGS). Are they the same or different? Here I am including three photos (a PCGS TrueView and the pair of photos from Great Collections in the original holder).
Oh wow!! This looks like one of those that are very tough to shoot through plastic! Original MS-65 and MS-65+ now.
You are correct that it is hard to get a photo; that's why I was hoping PCGS could help out. Plus the older holder was in rough shape.
Beautiful coin. Great surfaces, and decent strike for a 1904o. Reverse color is beautiful, but not as intense as the TrueView. This coin is gem grade. PCGS-65 PCGS-65+ New holder
Well, @ddddd when a coin is hard to light or bring the color out it either has an extremely thick skin or it has some sort of AT. They both are a pain. Then add in the slab and that makes it even harder to get the colors right.
Semi-PL, PL and DMPL coins with toning are a real pain to photograph through plastic. You have to get the angle of light just right on the surface to get the color to pop. Typically when you get to that angle, you get light reflecting off the surface of the plastic causing massive glare. So PCGS has the luxury of shooting the coin raw and then slabbing it.
This is my experience as well. I've seen no difference in difficulty of photographing an AT coin vs an NT one. And there is nothing about the colors on this coin to suggest it is AT.
PCGS MS 64 and PCGS MS 64 again ...this one was a disappointment; the combination of strong two-sided color, close to PL surfaces, and a very clean obverse/reverse made this seem like the ideal upgrade candidate. Everything about the coin suggested a gem grade but the graders didn't agree. Here is the video I took before sending it in: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU78yKArdSZ/ Here is the photo in the original holder. The pl (semi-pl) surfaces make it hard to capture the color on a photo; the video does a better job.
The other thing that had my hopes up was that this came out of a collection where a few other pieces had upgraded for other buyers (I saw one guy post the NGC MS 63 Morgan he bought in a new PCGS MS 65 holder).
