Coin Talk
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"As rich as Croesus"/The first silver coin, and it’s story
King Croesus ruler of Lydia:
(Croesus on the Pyre, Louvre)
The man had money. His name is synonymous with wealth and riches.
Almost 2,600 years later we're still saying it. He may have done more for the development of Coinage than any other single individual in history.
It wasn't enough wealth to have his name used for the myth of King Midas. Though, certainly he fits the story better than anyone else in ancient history. And probably helped inspire the Midas myth.
There is a wonderful story of Croesus meeting an elderly Solon, told by Herodotus. Yep, that Solon whom reformed Athens by rewriting all is laws. After showing Solon his palace and wealth Croesus asks Solon who the happiest man he had met was. Obviously, expecting to hear his own names.
Solon replied, "There was a man in Athens named Tellus who was able to live until his children had children and he was still able to fight and die in battle. It was a... -
Extremely rare Javanese double-massa silver coin (circa 850-900 CE)
Javanese Silver Sandalwood Double-Massa – circa 850-900 CE
Shailendra Dynasty of the Mataram Kingdom – Central Java Period
The silver double-massa sandalwood flower coins were a short-lived series that remain to be one of the rarest in the Southeast Asian numismatic history. The double-massa coin is an oddly formed lump of two coins weighing 4.8 grams with a thick bar connecting them, termed the double-massa because its weight is double the standard coin weight; one massa or 2.4 grams. The only source of information on these coins is Dr. Jan Wisseman Christie, who studied the archaeology, epigraphy, and history of Indonesia and Malaysia, with special emphasis on the pre-Islamic kingdoms of Java. She remains one of the best sources of information on the development of Javanese markets and their early coinage. Her research piece A Preliminary Survey of Early Javanese Coinage Held in Javanese Collections... -
My Experiment using MS70 Coin Brightener.
It's been a while since I posted on this forum. I originally had this idea for a thread and posted on a tpg forum where I usually spend my time. Unfortunately it didn't last long.
There was a discussion there several months ago about whether or not blue and purple colorfully toned copper is AT or if when coincare or MS70 are applied to the surface of UNC brown copper coin the surface contaminants or brown tone is removed to reveal the colorful blue and purple toning underneath. Some of the biggest names in copper coins were arguing on both sides so I bought some MS70 thinking I would experiment. The bottle sat on my shelf for months and I finally got around to it. I don't claim to be a chemist and others might be able to explain what is happening better than I can, but it seems to me that the MS70 is not applying any color to the surface, but reacting to certain surface toning to change the color.
Some of the coins had no change other than to appear brighter, while others... -
Roman Republic denarii with reverses showing animals (other than horses)
I particularly like Republican denarii with reverses showing animals, so I thought I'd post a few of mine. I'm excluding horses -- real and mythological -- because that would take in what seem to me to be a substantial minority (if not a majority) of Republican coins, especially the earlier ones.
Instead, here are a bull, a lion, a dolphin, a hound, and a wild boar. (In addition, although I won't re-post the Juno Sospita denarius from the thread about shields, there's a small snake on the lower right of the reverse of that coin. See https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/l-procili-juno-sospita-reverse-jpg.1061246/.)
The images are all from the sellers, except the last one.
First, the bull: Roman Republic, L. Thorius Balbus, AR Denarius, 105 BCE. Obv. Head of Juno Sospita R., “ISMR” [Iunonis Sospitae Magnae Reginae] / Rev. Bull Charging Right, A above, “L. THORIUS BALBUS.” RSC I Thoria 1, Crawford 316/1, Sear RCV I 192. 20.11 mm., 3.85 g. David R. Sear Certificate... -
A Coin of Biblical Proportions
This type has been on my wantlist for many years but I've only had a couple opportunities to attempt to buy one and hadn't succeeded. It never comes beautiful and, to @Valentinian 's thread on "Condition and price balance", I wouldn't be 5x happier to buy the finest known (real) example which is just a bit nicer but at 5x the cost.
I was the underbidder but never saw the coin in person (I had a dealer view and represent me). Upon seeing it at the NYINC show last month, I was willing to give the winning dealer a modest profit and finally cross an important type off my list.
This coin depicts the story of Noah, including the dove, his wife, and the ark itself.
It shows how Noah and his wife standing in the ark floating on the water, first sending out a raven and later a dove (to get information about the current status of the flood) and how they thank God for their rescue after leaving the ark. These successive events are artfully drawn together into a single... -
France - Ecu de Six Livres de La Convention - 1793.
I would like to ask if anybody here has experience or knowledge concerning the Ecu de Six livres struck by the French National Convention during the revolutionary year of 1793.
I have two examples in my collection, one struck at Lyon (Atelier D), the other at Lille (Atelier W).
The Lille raises some question for me as it shows some anomalies not seen on coins of this type: first, it displays a die break on reverse which, I think, was the reason for the weak strike which can be seen in places.
The other anomaly is the irregular spacing of the date, specially the '9' which is wildly out of line with the rest of the digits in the date.
It have observed neither of these anomalies on any of the Ecu de Six Livres from Lille listed on Acsearch. Wider internet searches have also revealed nothing.
The coin otherwise conforms well to the nominal specification for the Ecu de Six Livres de la Convention which are: diameter of 38,5 mm, nominal weight of 29,23g.
The edge of my piece... -
Just checking in with some Julio-Claudians
I haven’t posted for quite awhile - but I visit and lurk here at CT every day in order to soak up the great wit, wisdom - and information. It is very enjoyable!
I have disposed of my vintage woodworking tools, Samurai swords, and antique firearms collections in a very satisfactory manner and now I am enjoying every day doing calligraphy, reading about Roman history - and researching Roman Imperial coins.
Life doesn’t get any better than this!
The coins that I retained to admire, fondle and study for the remainder of my days remains at fifteen. Here are the representative Julio-Claudian coins:
Denarius, Crawford, Roman Republican Coins (RRC), No. 480/8 (March 44 BC - Alfoldi)
Coin obverse depiction: Julius Caesar wreathed head facing right
Inscription clockwise from right: CAESAR DICT PERPETVO... -
CSA Trans-Mississippi Notes
The area included all of Texas, Arkansas, the Indian territories and most of Louisiana. The area which was strategic to the confederacy due to raw materials, manpower and to access Mexico by land to avoid the Union blockade. The union realized the importance of the area and devised a strategy to cut the confederacy in two along the Mississippi river early in the war. Two years later, by July 1863 the confederacy west of the Mississippi was cut off. It had been isolated since late 1862 as the union navy controlled most of the river.
The distance from eastern printers and having no facilities to print CSA money, the Trans-Mississippi department was short of cash. General E.?Kirby Smith took over the department on March 7 1863. Cash was almost nonexistent and the department was in arrears. Smith ordered earlier CSA notes that were stored or canceled to be re-issued. He used a variety of stamps to indicate the notes were revalidated or good for commerce, despite having been rendered... -
Gavin's Twelve Caesars!
Consummatum Est.
So about fifteen years after getting my first Twelve Caesars coin, I have finally finished my Twelve Caesars set to my satisfaction. I say “to my satisfaction” because it was technically complete after I bought Orfew’s Otho in AMCC 2. But my Titus was a slug, so I bought a better Titus a few weeks ago. It just came in today from the Great White North. Here’s a “virtual tray.” A group photo is at the end of this post.
I subscribe to the school that says there are no rules for a Twelve Caesars set. But my arbitrary guidelines were 1) all imperial (no provincial); 2) all bronze. (I didn't care if the emperor was the Caesar or Augustus.) I soon found out that imperial bronze was impossible for Julius Caesar and Otho, so I had to go denarii there. I also recognized that sestertii would be out of my price range. I’m happy with the middle bronze (AE as) collection I assembled. My favorite might be humble Claudius, with its genuine and... -
OTD: 211 CE, Septimius Severus dies. Take a shot if you hail to the warrior King
On this date: Preparing for his Scottish campaign, while in Eboracum (York), Septimius Severus dies!
Say what you will about his negatives, and there's plenty to say, but this guy didn't just run the empire. It was a better and safer place then when he'd taken over... Until he died, that is.
The legacy he left behind would've been incredible had Geta gotten to Caracalla first.
(Classic tondo showcasing a straight up Geta damnation)
Instead, a conversation about the man consists of how he took the world by sheer will and force alone, how awesome his wife was and thenhow awful his son was.
Ol' Septy, as he would have us call him, consolidated and dominated. And yet despite his son issuing one if the largest citizenship rights decrees of all time, due to his utter lunacy, his sons reputation in many ways has tarnished his reputation.
Enough said about that. Here's to the man. The man that headed Pesky Niger off at the...
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