Lord Marcovan's "Eclectic Box" collection as of October 8, 2017

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  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

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    October 8, 2017: This is not really a major update. There's only one coin going out (an 1834 USA Bust half), and it was replaced with a much less expensive coin (a 1929 Lundy puffin). The latter was a kind gift from @H8_modern, and I liked it so much I sent it off to PCGS and now it is tied with four other pieces for finest graded. The proceeds of my sale of the Bust half are going to be used towards the likely addition of another gold coin soon.

    The main thing with this update is that many coins have been reimaged by a professional photographer, so I've posted the new primary images below. As of this post, several coins are still out for grading, so I yet have a lot of work to do with writeups. Coins that have individual writeups (subthreads) are hyperlinked in the titles.

    Last update: July 28, 2017
    Archives of earlier updates (in my sig line index)
    "Eclectic Box" gallery on CollectiveCoin

    The Eclectic Box (fantasy version, from the imagination of @Deacon Ray):
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    The Eclectic Box (reality version, from the cellphone camera of yours truly):
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    As always, thanks for looking at my small, ever-evolving collection.

    ~Robertson W. ("Rob") Shinnick, Brunswick, Georgia, October 8, 2017

     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

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    Ancient Greece (Ionia, Phokaia): electrum hekte, Athena and quadripartite punch, ca. 478-387 BC
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    (NGC certification pending as of 8/15/2017)

    Ancient Greece (Corinth): silver stater featuring Pegasus and Athena, ca. 345-307 BC
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    (NGC certification pending as of 8/15/2017)

    Ancient Greece (Spartans in Taras, Calabria, Italy): silver drachm, Athena and owl, ca. 302-281 BC
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    (NGC certification pending as of 8/15/2017)

    Ancient Greece (Kingdom of Macedon): silver "Mercenaries" drachm of King Perseus, ca. 175-170 BC
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    (NGC Ch MS; Strike 5/5, Surface 5/5)

    Ancient Roman Republic: silver denarius of moneyer L. Furius Brocchus, ca. 63 BC
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    (NGC Ch VF; Strike 5/5, Surface 4/5)

    Ancient Roman Empire: silver "Capricorn" denarius of Vespasian, struck by Titus ca. 80-81 AD
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    (NGC certification pending as of 8/15/2017)

    Ancient Byzantine Empire: gold tremissis of Justinian I, ca. 527-565 AD
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    (NGC MS; Strike 5/5, Surface 4/5, "wrinkled")
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

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    England (Anglo-Saxon): silver penny of Aethelred II, struck ca. 997-1003 AD
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    (PCGS MS63; population 2 with 2 higher as of 10/8/2017)

    Turkey (Seljuq Sultanate of Rum): silver "Lion & Sun" dirham of Kaykhusraw II, AH 638 (1240-1241 AD)
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    (Presently raw- returned by PCGS as an ineligible type, August 2017)

    Netherlands (Gelderland): "St. John" type goldgulden (florin) of Arnold van Egmond, ca. 1423-1472
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    (PCGS Genuine; XF details, "filed rims")

    Belgium (Brabant): gold florin (Carolus d’or) of Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, ca. 1521-1545
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    (PCGS Genuine; VF details, "mount removed")

    German States (Teutonic Order): silver 1/4-thaler of Grand Master Maximilian of Austria, ca. 1615
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    (PCGS XF45; population 1 - the only example certified by PCGS as of 10/8/2017)
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

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    Switzerland (Zurich): silver "city view" 1/2-thaler (1 gulden/36 schillings), 1739
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    (PCGS AU58; population 1- the only example certified by PCGS as of 10/8/2017)

    Spain: gold half-escudo of Ferdinand VI, 1759, Madrid mint
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    (PCGS XF40- population 1 - the only example certified by PCGS as of 10/8/2017)

    Mexico (Spanish Colonial): silver 8 reales ("Pillar Dollar"), 1761, Mexico City mint
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    (PCGS AU50; population 4 with 10 higher as of 10/8/2017)

    Belgium (Austrian Netherlands): copper 2 liards (2 Oorden), Insurrection coinage, 1790
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    (NGC MS63 BN; population 3 with 4 higher as of 7/28/2017)

    Great Britain: gilt copper proof halfpenny of George III, Soho Mint, 1806
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    (PCGS PR65 DCAM, ex-NGC PR64 CAM; population 1 with 1 higher as of 10/8/2017)

    Great Britain: silver shilling of George IV, off-center mint error, ca. 1826-1829
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    (PCGS XF40; no population data exists, but a rare error for this type)

    United States: gold 5-dollar half-eagle, Liberty Head type, 1842-D (small date)
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    (PCGS VF30, CAC; population 16 with 157 higher as of 10/8/2017)

    Liberia: proof copper cent, 1847
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    (PCGS PR65 BN, ex-NGC PF64 BN; population 1- finest graded at either service as of 7/28/2017)

    France: copper specimen striking of a 10-centime pattern (essai), 1848
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    (PCGS SP65 RB; population 1- the only example certified by PCGS as of 10/8/2017)

    Japan (Meiji Era): gold/electrum Nibu-Kin (2 bu), ca. 1868-1869
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    (PCGS AU55; population 69 with 24 higher as of mid-2017)

    Great Britain: gold half-sovereign of Queen Victoria, 1901, from the Terner Collection
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    (PCGS MS64; population 10 with 6 higher as of 10/8/2017)

    United States: copper "Hard Times" token, C.D. Peacock Jewelers, Chicago, backdated "1837" (actually struck ca. 1902)
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    (PCGS MS63 BN; population 1 - the only example certified by PCGS as of mid-2017)

    Island of Lundy: bronze 1-puffin coin (token) issued by Martin Coles Harman, 1929
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    (PCGS MS65 RD; population 5 with none higher as of 10/8/2017)
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    So here's what went out since last time:

    United States: silver Capped Bust half dollar, 1834 (large date, small letters)
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    (PCGS AU55; CAC; population 148 with 223 higher as of 7/28/2017)

    And here's what came in:

    Island of Lundy: bronze 1-puffin coin (token) issued by Martin Coles Harman, 1929
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    (PCGS MS65 RD; population 5 with none higher as of 10/8/2017)

    That would seem to be a significant downgrade in terms of monetary value - and it is - but I like the cute little puffin, and furthermore, the money from the sale of the USA Bust half is working towards the pending purchase of another gold coin, which will likely be one of these or something very similar.

    Maybe I'll catch up on my writeups so I can add links to the backstories and additional pictures for all of the coins above. I have been lazy with my subthread writeups for the last year or so and have added a lot of coins since I started actively posting here on CoinTalk in the fall of 2016. (I registered in 2007 but only made a dozen or so posts prior to 2016.)


     
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  7. Youngcoin

    Youngcoin Everything Collector

    Wow amazing! Very nice collection that Ancient Greece Electrum Hekte atill amazes and baffles me every time I see it, how thick is it?

    Thanks,
    Jacob
     
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  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Beautiful collection! I am peanut butter and jealous!
     
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  9. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    Very nice. It looks like you collect like I do... whatever catches your eye and heart, regardless of what everyone else thinks it should be collected as.
     
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Thanks. It is pretty thick, as most ancient Greek coins tend to be, but teeeny-tiny in size! I wish I had taken some pictures of it on my fingertip and maybe sitting on a dime, prior to sending it off to be slabbed. It's way tinier than an aspirin tablet. Ever give your dog a tiny little heartworm pill? It's more like that. Maybe the size of some small lentil beans. But that tiny size makes it all the more fun and interesting, and makes one respect the ancient Greek artisans all the more, that they could engrave that terrific portrait on dies so small.

    Indeed, sir, indeed, though it took me a very long time - decades, in fact - to evolve into that sort of "freestyle" collector, for some reason. I always liked the "structure" of "sets", and filling holes in albums. In fact, I still would keep some album sets going on the side (I loved the Dansco #7070 US Type set albums, for example), but most of my (very modest) numismatic budget goes into this collection. I do have a small sideline collection of love tokens, which is presently in a much more disorganized state than this collection.
     
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  11. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    It is interesting and exciting to see people's collecting nature change as they grow in the hobby. From collecting Lincoln cents, to type sets, to tokens, to medals, to ancients, etc. Sometimes you have to go through a lot of steps to get to a destination you never saw beyond the horizon. The only set I collect religiously are the new Austrian silver/niobium bimetallics that started in 2003. Being a chemist, I have always been fascinated by all of the elements, and niobium can be anodized into a wide range of apparent colors - apparent because the color isn't there, just a difference in thickness of the oxide layer that bends the light. Your items are like branches from a tree that go in different directions. It's not for everyone, but it will definitely get someone interested in following one of those branches.
     
  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Thank you- that is a wonderful metaphor and is indeed the sort of thing I aspire to. If seeing one of my coins ever inspires someone to go off in a new direction, I'd be flattered.

    This collection is but a tiny "sampling" of the last 27 centuries of world coinage, of course. And some categories are more heavily represented than others, based on my own preferences and personal history. I collected US and British coins previously (and Irish, which is woefully unrepresented in the present collection. I shall have to do something about that!)

    I like those niobium coins. Those are the sort of moderns I would collect. Some modern NCLT issues are quite tempting as well. But historical coins have a bit more of a gravitational pull for me.
     
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  13. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    I agree about modern NCLT coins. I am amazed at how much people will spend for a 1960' coin in a plastic slab that is the "top pop", yet yawn when shown an ancient coin. Our society is definitely shallow. My current quest is the coinage of Napoleon and his siblings on crowns - they ruled Europe in France, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands and parts of Germany. The other is the Latin Monetary Union, which was the forerunner of the current European Union. Very fascinating part of history that is overlooked and was the turning point from the world going from a bimetallic monetary system (silver and gold) to a gold standard. France, as a dying empire tried with one last gasp to be the rule maker, but GB wouldn't play. The US hoped a bimetallic system would be chosen with its wealth of silver, but it didn't pan out. This is why the $4 Stella was struck, as a way to get into the LMU. A lot more history in coins than people realize or want to know other than whether something is PL or DMPL.
     
  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I see that the sale of that Bust half leaves me embarrassingly low on United States coins. If one counts the Pillar Dollar (which is, after all, the first coin listed in the US Coins "Red Book"), I have only three. And one is a token! So the 1842-D USA half-eagle is the only regular US mint issue represented here at the moment. But it's worth more than twice what any other single coin in the collection is.

    I'll have to work on adding a few more US pieces again. T
    hose tend to get sold more often from my collection since they're more liquid, and I'm rather jaded about US coins overall. There's so much more "bang for the buck" in World and Ancient coins. But I do still enjoy classic US Type coins.

    Need an Irish coin, too. And a Scottish coin. I've never owned the latter, despite my Scots-Irish ancestry. (I did once have an extensive collection of Irish predecimal coins.)
     
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  15. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    I truly enjoy looking through your eclectic box collection and the updates you make to it @lordmarcovan. I find your collecting style interesting and very appealing and you have inspired me to adjust my own collecting habits. As a long term goal I am thinking to put together a small sub collection of 10 high quality ancient coins with specific appealing history that I can then upgrade, swap and build up like you do. Great stuff.
     
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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    (Edit: this was a response to Curtisimo but I wound up repeating it below)
     
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  17. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    I have to admit that I’m a little surprised that the puffin made it into such elite company. Always nice when you choose something you think the recipient will like and they are happier than you would have any reason to expect.
     
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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    @Curtisimo- I look forward to seeing your "Ancient Box of Ten". Knowing your meticulous attention to detail and backstory, I'm sure each will be wonderfully written up.

    I notice your last magnum opus still is King of the Hill in the Realm of the Featured Threads on the homepage. As far as I'm concerned, a Featured Thread is the pinnacle of achievement on CoinTalk. You have in turn inspired me to step up my game with the writeups, which, as I confessed above, I've been terribly lax on in recent months.

    Want to see how far I've come in four years?

    Here is the first posting of what would become the Eclectic Box on July 25, 2013, over on Collectors Universe. Can you tell my last project before that was a Twelve Caesars collection? It was still almost all ancients. I wouldn't mind having one or two of those coins back, but I'm glad I've since "mixed things up".

    It's kind of funny that my "newest" coin in that early incarnation of the set was dated 1550!
     
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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I guess it's because I wanted one of those back in the early 1990s during my mostly British coin phase, but never got one. Then I won your giveaway and in there with all the other fun loot, there was this Puffin, and a nice red BU example, at that! And now it's a condition census piece.

    You were way more generous than expected (or required) in our first swap, too.
     
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  20. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    Thanks LordM! I have as much fun writing the articles as I do hunting for the coins :) I am always happy to see one get featured. I'm working on two write ups now, one in ancient and one in world Coins.

    I think I only have 2 of the eventual 10 for my ancient collection. My Roma Denarius and my Athena tet (no write up for that one yet). :)

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/th...-the-first-denarius-and-its-influence.300387/

    Your 2013 eclectic box had some really great pieces (love the Domitian) but even so I think you've made some fantastic upgrades! Have you ever had one of your MD finds make it to the eclectic box?
     
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  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I have never certified any of my detector finds. Most aren't worth the expense of stabbing (slabbing- ha! I caught you that time, Autocorrect!). And few have the eye appeal. So I keep the detector finds in their own album, and since 90% of them were found in my pre-Internet, pre-photography era, getting them photographed and posted is an ongoing chore that has taken a back burner to this project.

    But maybe one day I'll dig a gold coin and slab it and put it in this collection. That's a pleasant daydream. :)

    PS- speaking of Featured threads, and detector finds, I did think of including the Edward I penny I found in England in this set. But I've bought better Edward I pennies for 35 bucks.
     
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