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<p>[QUOTE="maridvnvm, post: 4958646, member: 31620"]During the 8th and 9th emissions of Lugdunum under Probus the pietas reverse type was produced with two alternate spellings - PIETAS and PIAETAS. You will often see the PIAETAS coin sold as an error but it is more likely to be a spelling variation rather than an error. The PIAETAS spelling occurs over two issues and over multiple reverse dies and is generally as prolific as the PIETAS spelling variety.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have been gathering some of these over many years and have just tracked down a new addition to my collection, which gives me all the excuse I need to frag out some of my coins and share....</p><p><br /></p><p>Just for the sake of this thread I will combine the obverse legend varieties separated by dots..... which Bastien gives a separate id but RIC does not. </p><p><br /></p><p>Emission 8</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP C PROBVS P F AVG , Radiate, cuirassed bust right</p><p>Rev:– PIETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes</p><p>Minted in Lugdunum (III in exe) Emission 8, Officina 3. Autumn to Late A.D. 281</p><p>Reference:– Cohen 437. Bastien 359(dots), 360(no dots). RIC 96 Bust type F</p><p><br /></p><p>This was my first of the type that I bought almost 20 years ago</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132g_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Weight 4.36g. 22.70mm. 0 degrees</p><p><br /></p><p>Ex Langcroft hoard</p><p><br /></p><p>This also comes with the longer for mof the obverse legend</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Obverse Legend :</b> IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG</p><p><b>Bust Type :</b> Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear</p><p><b>References : </b>RIC -, Cohen -, Bastien 357 (1 ex.)</p><p><br /></p><p>But I have yet to find one.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Then there is</p><p><br /></p><p>Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes</p><p>Mint – Lugdunum (III in exe) Emission 8, Officina 3. Autumn – End 281 A.D.</p><p>Reference:– Cohen 435, Bastien 354. RIC 93 Bust type F</p><p><br /></p><p>Weight 4.59g. 23.01mm. 180 degrees</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132iu_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Which also comes with the short form obverse legend</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP PROBVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right</p><p>Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes</p><p>Mint – Lugdunum (III in exe) Emission 8, Officina 3. Autumn – End 281 A.D.</p><p>Reference:– Cohen 436, Bastien 356 (5 examples cited). RIC 94 Bust type F (Scarce)</p><p><br /></p><p>Weight 4.16g. 22.59mm. 180 degrees</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132oz_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Now on to Emission 9, where the officina mark occurs in the fields</p><p><br /></p><p>PIETAS</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right</p><p>Rev:– PIETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes</p><p>Minted in Lugdunum (C in right field) Emission 9, Officina 3. January to August A.D. 282</p><p>Reference:– Cohen 437. Bastien 413. RIC 121 Bust type F</p><p><br /></p><p>3.65 gms. 22.75mm</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI%20132hk%20img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:– IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front</p><p>Rev:– PIETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes</p><p>Minted in Lugdunum (_ | C) Emission 9 Officina 3. January – August 282 A.D.</p><p>Reference:– Cohen -. Bastien 412 (2 examples). RIC 121 var. Bust Type C (unlisted with this bust type in RIC)</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI%20132kg%20img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>PIAETAS</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:–IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right</p><p>Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes</p><p>Minted in Lugdunum (C in right field) Emission 9. Officina 2. January – August 282 A.D.</p><p>Reference:– Cohen 435. Bastien 410. RIC 120 Bust type F</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI%20132kb%20img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:–IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right</p><p>Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes</p><p>Minted in Lugdunum (Retrograde C in right field) Emission 9. Officina 2. January – August 282 A.D.</p><p>Reference:– Cohen 435. Bastien 417 (2 examples cited). RIC 120 var Bust type F (unlisted with Retrograde C in right field in RIC)</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132rw_img.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>It also comes with</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Bust Type :</b> Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front</p><p><b>Officina Mark Position : </b>Right field</p><p><b>References :</b> RIC -, Cohen -, Bastien 409 (2 examples)</p><p><br /></p><p>I am yet to find an example</p><p><br /></p><p>And finally my neweset addition. A short form obverse legend PIAETAS.</p><p><br /></p><p>Obv:–IMP PROBVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right</p><p>Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes</p><p>Minted in Lugdunum (_ | C) Emission 9. Officina 2. January – August 282 A.D.</p><p>Reference(s) – Cohen 436. Bastien 411 (4 examples). RIC - Bust type F (Unlisted obverse legend, after RIC 120)</p><p><br /></p><p>4.16g. 22.86mm. 180 degrees</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1192053[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="maridvnvm, post: 4958646, member: 31620"]During the 8th and 9th emissions of Lugdunum under Probus the pietas reverse type was produced with two alternate spellings - PIETAS and PIAETAS. You will often see the PIAETAS coin sold as an error but it is more likely to be a spelling variation rather than an error. The PIAETAS spelling occurs over two issues and over multiple reverse dies and is generally as prolific as the PIETAS spelling variety. I have been gathering some of these over many years and have just tracked down a new addition to my collection, which gives me all the excuse I need to frag out some of my coins and share.... Just for the sake of this thread I will combine the obverse legend varieties separated by dots..... which Bastien gives a separate id but RIC does not. Emission 8 Obv:– IMP C PROBVS P F AVG , Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– PIETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes Minted in Lugdunum (III in exe) Emission 8, Officina 3. Autumn to Late A.D. 281 Reference:– Cohen 437. Bastien 359(dots), 360(no dots). RIC 96 Bust type F This was my first of the type that I bought almost 20 years ago [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132g_img.jpg[/IMG] Weight 4.36g. 22.70mm. 0 degrees Ex Langcroft hoard This also comes with the longer for mof the obverse legend [B]Obverse Legend :[/B] IMP C M AVR PROBVS AVG [B]Bust Type :[/B] Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the rear [B]References : [/B]RIC -, Cohen -, Bastien 357 (1 ex.) But I have yet to find one. Then there is Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes Mint – Lugdunum (III in exe) Emission 8, Officina 3. Autumn – End 281 A.D. Reference:– Cohen 435, Bastien 354. RIC 93 Bust type F Weight 4.59g. 23.01mm. 180 degrees [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132iu_img.jpg[/IMG] Which also comes with the short form obverse legend Obv:– IMP PROBVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes Mint – Lugdunum (III in exe) Emission 8, Officina 3. Autumn – End 281 A.D. Reference:– Cohen 436, Bastien 356 (5 examples cited). RIC 94 Bust type F (Scarce) Weight 4.16g. 22.59mm. 180 degrees [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132oz_img.jpg[/IMG] Now on to Emission 9, where the officina mark occurs in the fields PIETAS Obv:– IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– PIETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes Minted in Lugdunum (C in right field) Emission 9, Officina 3. January to August A.D. 282 Reference:– Cohen 437. Bastien 413. RIC 121 Bust type F 3.65 gms. 22.75mm [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI%20132hk%20img.jpg[/IMG] Obv:– IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front Rev:– PIETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes Minted in Lugdunum (_ | C) Emission 9 Officina 3. January – August 282 A.D. Reference:– Cohen -. Bastien 412 (2 examples). RIC 121 var. Bust Type C (unlisted with this bust type in RIC) [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI%20132kg%20img.jpg[/IMG] PIAETAS Obv:–IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes Minted in Lugdunum (C in right field) Emission 9. Officina 2. January – August 282 A.D. Reference:– Cohen 435. Bastien 410. RIC 120 Bust type F [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/normal_RI%20132kb%20img.jpg[/IMG] Obv:–IMP C PROBVS • P • F • AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes Minted in Lugdunum (Retrograde C in right field) Emission 9. Officina 2. January – August 282 A.D. Reference:– Cohen 435. Bastien 417 (2 examples cited). RIC 120 var Bust type F (unlisted with Retrograde C in right field in RIC) [IMG]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10618/RI_132rw_img.jpg[/IMG] It also comes with [B]Bust Type :[/B] Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, seen from the front [B]Officina Mark Position : [/B]Right field [B]References :[/B] RIC -, Cohen -, Bastien 409 (2 examples) I am yet to find an example And finally my neweset addition. A short form obverse legend PIAETAS. Obv:–IMP PROBVS AVG, Radiate, cuirassed bust right Rev:– PIAETAS AVG, Pietas standing left by altar, holding patera and box of perfumes Minted in Lugdunum (_ | C) Emission 9. Officina 2. January – August 282 A.D. Reference(s) – Cohen 436. Bastien 411 (4 examples). RIC - Bust type F (Unlisted obverse legend, after RIC 120) 4.16g. 22.86mm. 180 degrees [ATTACH=full]1192053[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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