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<p>[QUOTE="fatima, post: 1400791, member: 22143"]It was you who said that inflation helps borrowers. This is how this conversation started. Now you have defined inflation as the cost of X goods at some point in the future. Nothing more and nothing less. However borrowers have to pay interest (unless you are a bankster) </p><p><br /></p><p>So in your example, lets say a party borrowed $1000 to buy that basket of goods now. In one year they sell the basket of goods for $1050, repay the $1000, and they made $50. So by your theory and definition of inflation, it's good for the savvy investor. However, what you absolute miss and what I mentioned above, is the interest rate on the $1000. If it is 10% then at the end of the year, the savvy investor turns out to be, not so savvy. He owes $50. It's absolute proof, using your own example, the fallacy of the statement "inflation is good for investors". You have to consider other factors. </p><p><br /></p><p>So then you say in response to this. "....but, fatima, no bank could get away with charging that much interest. It doesn't reflect the "real world". Indeed. Yet your example claims that inflation can only be determined by looking at the future so how does the bankster know how much to charge in interest? Do they have a secret crystal ball? In other words, your definition is just as much a fallacy. Hence, your statement that inflation is the amount that something will cost in the future, is wrong. The finance system doesn't work that way. </p><p><br /></p><p>There isn't anything ivory tower about this. Inflation is an expansion of the money supply, beyond, as Cloud correctly points out, the demand for money. How this affects the real world is complex and can't be meaningfully defined by simple statements. This is what gets investors, including bullion buyers, into lots of trouble. There is vast inflation taking place, but via endless schemes the effects of it are being temporarily mitigated for most people here in the USA. It's good to have the currency the rest of the world must use to purchase oil.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="fatima, post: 1400791, member: 22143"]It was you who said that inflation helps borrowers. This is how this conversation started. Now you have defined inflation as the cost of X goods at some point in the future. Nothing more and nothing less. However borrowers have to pay interest (unless you are a bankster) So in your example, lets say a party borrowed $1000 to buy that basket of goods now. In one year they sell the basket of goods for $1050, repay the $1000, and they made $50. So by your theory and definition of inflation, it's good for the savvy investor. However, what you absolute miss and what I mentioned above, is the interest rate on the $1000. If it is 10% then at the end of the year, the savvy investor turns out to be, not so savvy. He owes $50. It's absolute proof, using your own example, the fallacy of the statement "inflation is good for investors". You have to consider other factors. So then you say in response to this. "....but, fatima, no bank could get away with charging that much interest. It doesn't reflect the "real world". Indeed. Yet your example claims that inflation can only be determined by looking at the future so how does the bankster know how much to charge in interest? Do they have a secret crystal ball? In other words, your definition is just as much a fallacy. Hence, your statement that inflation is the amount that something will cost in the future, is wrong. The finance system doesn't work that way. There isn't anything ivory tower about this. Inflation is an expansion of the money supply, beyond, as Cloud correctly points out, the demand for money. How this affects the real world is complex and can't be meaningfully defined by simple statements. This is what gets investors, including bullion buyers, into lots of trouble. There is vast inflation taking place, but via endless schemes the effects of it are being temporarily mitigated for most people here in the USA. It's good to have the currency the rest of the world must use to purchase oil.[/QUOTE]
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