Why did I buy this ratty old coin?

@Severus Alexander

I am really glad you got one of these coins. I think the provenance is interesting and the history is fascinating. I like the coin you chose very much. It is very interesting to think of these republican denarii either in the hands of the Iceni who were revolting against the Romans, or in the purses of some legionaries stationed to Britain. In fact both might be accurate at different points in the coin's history. The connection to the past is why I collect ancient coins.

Congratulations on a superb purchase! (I do feel a little guilty that a post of mine was at least partially responsible for you spending money)

Andrew

 

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Definitely no need to feel guilty... money well spent! In fact, I owe you one!

 

I jumped on the bandwagon too . There were only a few of the hoard coins remaining as of this morning-- all pretty awful, condition-wise-- and then I couldn't decide... so I got two . It's all your fault!! (please please please let me blame you for this)

Too bad I didn't notice the sale when it was posted. I'd have liked that legionary denarius.

 

I had my eye on that one too. Congrats on the two you got... which ones?!?

 

@TIF

I am glad you were able to get 2 of these. Yes, that legionary would have been nice. I almost bit on the Albinus Brutus. My wallet is glad I saw the sale only lately. Otherwise I think several would have been in order.

I look forward to your posting of these 2 new acquisitions.

I also received the British Numismatic Journal today where the hoard is published. I have marked the section with a post it note. I believe it adds to the provenance of my coin.


PS Blame away. It is good to know I am not the only one buying coins.

 

Whats ratty about it? That coin was presented to Jesus H. Christ himself!

April

 

I took the remaining Tiberius denarius. I'm irrationally annoyed by the "tribute penny" designation and cost of these things but felt that the type belongs in a generalist collection and the hoard pedigree makes me feel better about having one .

Of the few remaining I looked up the moneyers and history surrounding them and opted for the Licinius Nerva denarius. It was between this and a P. Clodius Apollo/Diana denarius, which actually has more eye appeal. It's still available along with a Claudius Pulcher Roma/triga denarius and a Papirius Carbo Roma/quadriga denarius. I think those are the only three Quidenham hoard coins remaining.

Heck, I may as well show them here. The export license will take six weeks and then another 2-4 weeks to get to me and I doubt my photos will do much to improve their looks


Moneyer issues of Imperatorial Rome
A. Licinius Nerva
47 BCE
AR denarius, 19mm, 3.25 gm
Obv: Head of Fides right
Rev: Horseman galloping right, dragging Celtic warrior by the hair
Ref: Crawford 454/2
Found Quidenham hoard, Norfolk, 2014; purchased from Chris Rudd 26 July 2018


Tiberius, CE 16-37
AR denarius, 20 mm, 3.46 gm
Obv: laureate head of Tiberius right
Rev:
Livia, as Pax, seated right, holding scepter and olive branch
Ref: RCV 1763 (I have not yet tried to confirm catalog numbers)
Found Quidenham hoard, Norfolk, 2014; purchased from Chris Rudd 26 July 2018

 

TIF, do all those banker marks on that obverse decrease alot of the value?

 

I felt exactly the same way. I went out of my way to avoid the "tribute penny" for my 12 Caesars collection. I see them as over-hyped and I did not any part of that. However, given the hoard context and the historical connection, I felt like I needed to buy one.

Regarding your Tiberius, I almost bought that one but changed my mind at the last minute. I rather liked the banker's mark.

Congrats on picking up 2 very interesting coins.

 

I like the TIF/Orfew justification for buying not-tribute-pennies. @TIF, the captive-dragging motif on the Nerva is very suitable, it seems to me. Do you think the horseman is really one-armed?

 

@Orfew and @Severus Alexander, here is the link for the Portable Antiquities Scheme page for this hoard. The record ID is NMS-480CEE

Sev-- your coin is #13 in the PAS hoard record


My Licinius Nerva is #15


And my Tiberius denarius is #21

 

He looks one-armed in coins which have better details.

 

If a banker's mark affects the devices on a higher-grade coin, then it can hurt the value quite a bit, but on TIF's (quite worn and corroded, and the mark is almost entirely in the field) I don't think it affects the value at all. If anything it may add a little interest, though in this case the interest derives from the awesome provenance, of course!

 

Thanks for looking mine up, @TIF! I got lucky 13.

 

Mine is #22. It was listed as #21 on the Chris Rudd site but as #22 on the PAS site.

 

I completely agree

 

Part of the ALEGANDRON HOARD:

Dug up in the Year CE 3535




RR Man Acilius Glabrio 49 BCE Salus Valetudo snake Craw 442-1a

Un-retouched Photo!

RR AR Denarius A Licinius Nerva 47 BCE 3.58g Rome Fides One-armed horseman gllpng drggng naked warrior hair Cr 454-1 Syd 954

One-Tenth Tribute Penny (would that be a "tithe"?)

RI Tiberius AE As 14-37 CE Laureate-Pont Max Globe Rudder RIC I 58

 

is that Tuvok?

 

Here is a new picture of the coin. The coin is much better in hand. I quite like it actually. It turns out that it is a nice coin and not just historically important. The photo does not do it justice. The portrait is actually very nice.