Why are you buying silver for 5 bucks over spot?

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  1. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Junior Member

    Why not just wait?
     
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  3. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    It's not $5 over spot . . . I saw 1 ounce .999 Silvertowne rounds for $18.34 each only moments ago on JM Bullion, and they're not exactly the lowest sellers in that market. Better hurry though . . . I'm sure those won't last long.

    As for answering your question, with physical demand obviously far outstripping supply, and mines closed worldwide, silver will not drop substantially anytime soon. If people really want silver that badly, it's probably not wise to wait to buy at least some of what you want to have, although I'd personally save some cash to cost average later, if it does present a lower buying opportunity.
     
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  4. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Junior Member

    not bad, you can get Phils and maples for a little more

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  5. losthomer

    losthomer Active Member

    We are not.paying up right now.
     
  6. bditto39

    bditto39 Member

    The following is just my two cents...

    It's a question of what physical silver ought to be priced at in opposition to the paper silver that has been selling off rapidly represented as "spot price."

    If you mean why not wait until the panic comes off and silver premiums come down to allow for a close-to-spot purchase price, there are a lot of unknowns about that. First off, this might work against your favor -- after this paper sell-off from margin calls and ignorant financial investments is over, people may see silver as a safe haven and drive spot price up. At that point, what you now call $5 over spot may well be under spot. Look at the relevant charts on timeline from silver in the 2008 crisis and you will see that premiums were up until spot popped and shot to ridiculous heights. Second, silver's volatility is such that unless you are trading paper silver (futures, etf's, etc), you are going to lose on short-term premiums regardless. Physical silver is either a long-term investment, a long-term hedge against inflation, or a mid-term trade for crisis instability of the dollar and the market. The last, which many are pushing toward, could easily work over the next few years even buying around $20 to $25 an ounce given that the metals market performs anything like in the 2008 crisis. Is $25 silver a good buy? IMO, no, but there is an argument for it if someone thinks it will revisit previous crisis levels.

    If you mean people should wait until silver premiums come down to match these low prices, I think you may be disappointed in how silver performs for your entry over the next few years. I could easily be wrong on this, but I personally do not see physical silver matching these low paper values for years to come if ever because of bullion shortages, market demand, and the rising gold/silver ratio. Silver is not low because physical silver is not desired, it is low because the paper assets based on small quantities of silver are being sold off with the market drop. Physical silver does not always follow spot price in value because of these external market factors, and this is one of those times. What I mean is, physical silver is not worth $15 spot price right now. This is a representation of silver futures that are not even based on owning the full value in actual silver, so of course the value is low. If you are finding silver at $5 over spot ($20/oz), I think you are finding the actual market value of physical silver for the present time. Wait until "premiums" come down, and you may be paying $1 over spot of $20, $25, or even higher...at which point those "$5 premiums" could look awfully attractive.

    Now, this all being said, I am not buying at $20 an ounce... I bought for the past 3 years at way lower prices. I also spent time when spot was at $11 and $12 sourcing junk silver from dealers who sold $1 and $2 over spot still. All of that seems to be dried up and past at this point. For those who ignored cheap silver prior to this recession, $20 an ounce may be the best entry price they can get and still could be a good investment. If you can find it cheap, get it, but I wouldn't bank on $15 or $17 physical silver in the broader market for a long while to come.
     
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  7. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I like 90% silver far better . . . If the market ever goes to HIAHB, pricing goods in 90% silver could facilitate the making of change in same, and re-establish a medium of exchange in which people could truly invest their faith.

    There's certainly an ample supply in the marketplace to stand on its own 2 feet as a recognizable medium of exchange, and it is not considered contraband by the government.

    As an example, if I was buying 10 gallons of gasoline from a like-minded vendor, priced at 4 gallons per $1.00 face, and paid $3.00 face, I'd get back 50 cents in 90% silver as change.

    I'm not saying it would ever become mainstream practice, but I can guarantee you that there are those among us who would be willing participants.

    I don't think the same can be said for other silver, be they bars or rounds, or coins of other fineness.
     
  8. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Junior Member

    "we"?
     
  9. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Junior Member


    the old "silver dime for a loaf of bread" panic.
     
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  10. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    We could tell Homer to get lost, but I think he may be there already . . .
     
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  11. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    I don't think I went quite that far, did I? After all, I wrote 4 gallons for $1.00 face . . . that's about $4.00 of today's USD per gallon (arbitrary value for illustrative purposes only).
     
  12. FryDaddyJr

    FryDaddyJr Junior Member


    just kidding. I like 90 percent more than most of the pundits and bugs
     
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  13. bditto39

    bditto39 Member

    Agreed. Anyone else here like war nickels and foreign silver? Those were the last great deals I found.
     
  14. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'm trying to figure out how you'd work that, other than by using three silver dollars -- and you'd be a sucker to do that, because a silver dollar has 7% more silver than $1.00 worth of smaller 90% change.
     
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  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    At the moment I'm buying coins not bullion. It's cheaper.
     
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  16. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    You're right . . . I'd not considered the fact that I'd be giving the seller 6 half dollars and he'd give one right back to me . . . I should've taken the time to write a more realistic example.
     
  17. Gilbert

    Gilbert Part time collector Supporter

    In 1979 or 1980 (the mind gets foggy with age) there was a local gas station advertising regular gas for 10 cents a gallon, when the street price was around a dollar. The price came with a qualifier that the dime had to be minted prior to 1965.
     
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  18. losthomer

    losthomer Active Member

    We, as in those in my household.
     
  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    LOL, and melt value of that dime might well have been $3 or more, especially in January 1980.

    I wasn't paying much attention to coins or PMs in 1979-80. I still kind of wish I had been, and had sold off (say) my proudly-completed folder of silver Roosies for $150, or some of my cleaned or otherwise damaged silver. And, of course, put the money into Apple at its IPO in December 1980. :rolleyes:
     
  20. Gilbert

    Gilbert Part time collector Supporter

    Or Walmart.:rolleyes: Yes, I remember thinking that if anyone took the station up on the offer they would be receiving the short end. But, a fool and his/her money .....
     
  21. goldcollector

    goldcollector Member

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    $5 over spot ?????? Lol that's not that bad. The question is why are silvidiots paying $30 + for ASES ( double spot ).
     
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