Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by ToughCOINS, May 2, 2018.
how about ... all of the above as an option ?
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I'd be interested to hear how long the driver had been working with UPS, what his performance had been with UPS, and what his work history was prior to UPS.
The big question to me is... why sit in a car for hours at the entrance and not just wait for it to be delivered? What excuse did he give the UPS driver for this strange behavior?
Edit: what does "LSW- dark blue or black scrubs" mean? "Scrubs" = doctor/nurse uniform?
There are too many open questions to give an answer. But I am sure that they will all be easily resolved and the case settled very quickly.
Scrubs usually describe a nurse's or CNA [nurse's aide]'s
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While I'd have a hard time accepting that as a possibility, I'll add it for those that want that choice.
$100k of gold being delivered to a trailer park? Sounds like a setup from the beginning. My view is the UPS is an idiot, and the purchaser and the person in the car set this up.
Going off extremely this extremely limited information, I would guess it's an insurance scam. Seller ships a box of bricks insured for 100k. Buyer reports stolen. The third person who picked up package may or may not exist. (Seriously it sounds like they described Ricky from Trailer Park Boys, but added 'black' to the description.)
UPS takes very good care of their drivers. The people who work that job have been vetted. They begin in the warehouse by throwing packages. If they work hard, with a bit of luck, they get promoted to delivery. The pay is pretty darn good compared to other delivery jobs and the benefits are excellent. The drivers all know they are being watched via GPS now-a-days. UPS doesn't mess around. They want to know what their employees are doing every single second so they can direct them to be more efficient. Basically, I'm just not seeing the driver risking his livelihood for what equates to 1-2 years salary.
I think the buyer arranged it if it happened. Whether the seller refunds the buyer or has the insurance pay the buyer directly ultimately it would be the buyer whose the beneficiary of free gold if they got away with a scam like that
One of the members at our coin meeting lived in a gated mobile home park.
Retired and deals with coins.
$100k would be a stretch for them.
The UPS guy should be on the hook for handing over a package to someone NOT at the physical address and that he didn't Know.
The package should have been signature required delivery at the address.
UPS guy may or may not be in on the Theft?
Can you explain to me how this works out for the crooked seller if he ships worthless merchandise, the tatooed guy doesn't intercept the package, the innocent UPS guy delivers the packages intact and undamaged, and the buyer files a claim?
If shipment goes through without breaking procedure, they just don't file a claim. They are simply out the cost of shipping a box of bricks. Try again another day.
I just can't wrap my head around how some rando would know about the incoming shipment and be able to set-up shop. It's definitely an inside job somewhere, but there isn't really enough information (probably for obvious reasons considering it's an open investigation). So, it's just speculation on my part because it sounds like insurance fraud. People stealing $90k don't usually have $90k to spend. They are usually chasing losses and desperate.
Of course, most crimes really are crimes of convenience. So it could just be the buyer. If they are a dealer themselves, they know UPS procedures. They could have simply observed that the ups driver didn't follow procedure and decided to take advantage.
Edit to add- If it were Christmas time, when shipments increase and more novice drivers are at work, I would be much more suspicious of driver. However, $90k compared to some of the shipments going through UPS is small potatoes.
I guess i misunderstood your post . . . so you meant that both the seller and buyer are in cahoots, right?
I suppose it could be a crooked employee of the seller, notifying the tattooed guy in the buyers vicinity with address and tracking number.
I don't buy that theory . . . a buyer who has enough money to pay for $100K in gold is going to have it stolen and file a claim, when the likelihood of the claim being paid is very slim? . . . and later, when she goes to sell her gold, people begin asking where that came from? I don't think so.
For it to be an outright insurance scam, yes.
Seriously, anything is possible. Shady business is highly unpredictable.
...and that's why I think it's an insurance scam and the gold was never even shipped.
I can only (respectfully) assume that you're picturing a "drag a hundred dollar bill through a trailer park" type of trailer park? Not that I would blame you, but the fact is that not all parks fit such a description.
I am modestly familiar with one park, located in a ski town I've been trying to acquire property in, that certainly doesn't fit the classic idea of a "trailer park". One would be hard-pressed to get in there without a $100k or more investment.
While growing up there was a teacher who lived in a very average park not far from the school. I always assumed he was there because it was cheap, and I was right... in part. The man also owned a substantial chunk of lake front property with an incredible timber-frame home on it, but was about a 45 minute drive each way. He lived there while school was in session simply because it offered an affordable alternative to a long drive or having to keep two houses. The point is that both looks as well as terms can be deceiving.
Unfortunately, if willing to sell below market, hot gold would not be that difficult to liquidate, especially if in smaller lots.
I remember well, having lost a fair amount of it in 2009.
Honestly not really. One of the reason why scammers and people like metals is it’s really easy to unload it in pieces. You hav euro have an IQ of 60 to try and sell it all at once after that.
I wasn't aware of this, but have seen it happen to others. My apologies.
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