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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;desertgem, post: 2056771, member: 15199&quot;]But there are very valid reason for what most call manipulation and others call high leverage financials, such as hedging, leverage of investment, or just plain gambling. There are as many hard core gamblers as there are stackers and if the paper side of PM didn&#039;t offer such a temptation of gains of multiple increase in short time on small dollar investment, there wouldn&#039;t be any &#039;manipulation&#039; or paper investing. Stackers call it manipulation because they wish everyone to be obsessed with shining solid metal as they are, and this is OK, but there is no evil side trying to make it higher or lower to antagonize you, they do so by their action to leverage a bet on the direction, although more metal contracts are by hedge funds, investment banks and government(s) agencies, bullion/jeweler wholesalers , etc. than individuals like us.</p><p><br /></p><p>But they wouldn&#039;t do it IF it didn&#039;t help them financially. Since it is so leverages, when silver dropped below $20 so rapidly, those who had contract.options already or bought at the start realized gains of many times their investments, and with computerized trading &#039;Biggies&#039; can recognize a trend and jump in to pump the action. So if someone was lucky they would have bought puts one day and sold them in 2 weeks and even though they may have only made a few bucks per unit ( ounce), they only paid a few cents for the right to sell it. The they can use the USD from the sale and buy other things, even physical silver when it recovers ( like the bullion dealers). So it is really 2 different groups of bullion people~ those who want to hold it forever like an icon for the the belief it will save them from all things bad in life ( if they ever occur), and those who want to use the leverage of people desire for pm ( up or down, you can bet both ways) to enhance their $$ income they can use to buy other protections for the future.</p><p><br /></p><p>So it is not the evil side, just one few of us want to recognize , but there is no reason if you are not opposed to &#039;gambling&#039;&nbsp; or need to protect your commercial supply and price with hedges, not to use contracts, either full price for hedging ( no real gamble, you will get the silver; or use puts, calls, straddle, etc. options on the silver contract for higher leverage, but you may lose all money invested as they are time limited. No one or government is wasting their time or money to drive anyone into financial doomday, we just are of different beliefs as to how to look at PM.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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