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<p>[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1652109, member: 41665"]Hi doug444-</p><p>Yes I realize you're playing devil's advocate (I do, too.) But still, to show how little we actually know...</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Reading the Bear's Lair piece, so I don't understand your inference here. Hutchinson didn't cite "declining value" - I'm almost certain he doesn't know what Gold/Silver traded for in either mkt, either. And everything hinges on that.</p><p><br /></p><p>fwiw, the Jan.-Feb. 1932 Gold price wikipedia cites for Kharkiv as 24.46 руб./ozt equivalent. I doubt that! Does someone have a Kharkiv black-mkt bourse rate for Au in early 1932? </p><p>The 1924 chernovets (10 Rouble = 7.74232 Fine Au) was rated 40.17 руб./ozt but those coins had been withdrawn by 1930 or hoarded from 1924. </p><p><br /></p><p>wikipedia says "The Soviet currency (ruble) was non-convertible after 1932 (when trade in gold-convertible "chervonets", introduced by Lenin in NEP years, was suspended) until the late eighties. It was impossible (both for citizens and state-owned businesses) to freely buy or sell foreign currency even though the 'exchange rate' was set and published regularly."</p><p><br /></p><p>In a footnote from <i>Our Daily Bread: Socialist Distribution and the Art of Survival in Stalin's Russia 1927-41 </i>(2001, p.229) I see a 1932 blackmkt rate of USD$ 1. ~ 15-25 руб. currency; </p><p>this suggest 1 Au/ozt = ~ 310 - 516 руб. currency, at least. Again, to know if POG rose or fell in this period we'd have to see the Kharkiv black mkt rates, charted.</p><p><br /></p><p>In Ukraine, I'd guess the value of Gold Chernovets <i>increased</i>, rather than declined. But I have no evidence either way. Does anyone, for Kharkiv?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1652109, member: 41665"]Hi doug444- Yes I realize you're playing devil's advocate (I do, too.) But still, to show how little we actually know... Reading the Bear's Lair piece, so I don't understand your inference here. Hutchinson didn't cite "declining value" - I'm almost certain he doesn't know what Gold/Silver traded for in either mkt, either. And everything hinges on that. fwiw, the Jan.-Feb. 1932 Gold price wikipedia cites for Kharkiv as 24.46 руб./ozt equivalent. I doubt that! Does someone have a Kharkiv black-mkt bourse rate for Au in early 1932? The 1924 chernovets (10 Rouble = 7.74232 Fine Au) was rated 40.17 руб./ozt but those coins had been withdrawn by 1930 or hoarded from 1924. wikipedia says "The Soviet currency (ruble) was non-convertible after 1932 (when trade in gold-convertible "chervonets", introduced by Lenin in NEP years, was suspended) until the late eighties. It was impossible (both for citizens and state-owned businesses) to freely buy or sell foreign currency even though the 'exchange rate' was set and published regularly." In a footnote from [I]Our Daily Bread: Socialist Distribution and the Art of Survival in Stalin's Russia 1927-41 [/I](2001, p.229) I see a 1932 blackmkt rate of USD$ 1. ~ 15-25 руб. currency; this suggest 1 Au/ozt = ~ 310 - 516 руб. currency, at least. Again, to know if POG rose or fell in this period we'd have to see the Kharkiv black mkt rates, charted. In Ukraine, I'd guess the value of Gold Chernovets [I]increased[/I], rather than declined. But I have no evidence either way. Does anyone, for Kharkiv?[/QUOTE]
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