Type B Washington Quarters

You can see one that I came across on this thread here:

http://www.cointalk.com/t72803/

I would also be interested to know if someone has some accurate figures as to the numbers minted.

 

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I dont know but I'd like to see some accurate figures too and there shouid be some population reports on them too for how many graded there are.

 

lol... ok...I'm waiting

 

Yeah, everyone sees something different right or has their own experiences and knowledge to share. I'm just learning on this one and was hoping to keep gathering info on these Type B reverses... :smile

 

I was reading this thread and went to look at my quarters. I believe I found one from 1963. Now to be clear, on the type-B's there is a bigger space between the bottom horizontal line in the "E" and the bottom tip of the "S" in states on the reverse, correct?

Thanks,
LouieLot

 

I also know using the proof dies for business strike coins was very common in Morgans.

 

How about a photo of type A type B side by side?

That would be a great help,

Lack

 

They aren't side by side, but there are some great photos of each in the links given with this post:

http://www.cointalk.com/t72803/#post704765

 

These Type B reverses can be found on silver P mint '56-'64 Washingtons. The '56 is the rarest, followed by the '62, then the '61 (all have pops in double-digits). The price guide prices can be thrown out, as these have just started to appear in guides, and not all years are listed (at least at PCGS...NGC doesn't attribute them yet). A 1956 and 1961 Type B in PCGS MS64 went for $175 each on ebay recently. I have 2 '56 Type B's in MS65 (there are a total of 37 graded at PCGS, with 8 in MS65, 3 in MS66), and I wouldn't let my MS65's go for under $500...same with my '62 MS65 Type B's in MS65.

While ANACS attributes them (both with the FS-901, as well as older slabs with the Breen #...escapes me at the moment), the ANACS slabbed coins bring a fraction of the PCGS slabbed ones. Pops have been growing steadily in the last year, but they are still rare. I have attached some images of 'markers' to look for when it comes to identifying these (though, the spacing between the bottom 'E' and 'S' in 'STATES' is the easiest, as there is a definite spacing between them on the Type B's...on Type A, there is virtually no spacing (bottom horizontal line of the 'E' basically connects with ther bottom of the 'S' on Type A....definitive spacing in that area on Type B). The other big one for me is the leaf near the 'A' in 'DOLLAR'. On the Type B, the leaf seems to be 'attached', or an extension of, the 'A' in 'DOLLAR', where on the Type A, there is a slight gap between the tip of the leaf and the top of the 'A' in 'DOLLAR'. These images were copied from another forum (can't remember which one, or I'd give credit where it's due).

These can be cherried from NGC slabs, as I've seen more than a few in their slabs. You can find them in unattributed PCGS slabs as well. But, the popularity is fast growing, and cherrying an unattributed PCGS slab, or in an NGC slab is getting VERY tough. Also, those who know they have one in an NGC slab are trying to get all the money for them...same thing as with the unattributed examples in PCGS slabs. Naturally, sellers of ANACS slabbed examples try to get top dollar also, but crossing them from NGC, or ANACS is near impossible (usually 1 point lower...though there are a few cases they DO cross), as PCGS is VERY VERY tough on their grading of these. Hope this info helps...

 

As was mentioned in the link provided by jallengomez, there is a Type 'C', on the '64-D only, and those are VERY rare. I hope the attached image helps in distinguishing the 3 types. Again, I would give credit to the originator of the image, but can't remember where I picked it up.

 

So now I have confirmed that I have a 1963 type-B coin and I think it is a MS 65 or 66, and has not been cleaned (pictures will follow on friday when I visit my brother who has a digital SLR camera). Now what, do I wait for the grading companies recognize this variety and then get it graded? It really is a fantastic coin, and I am a very conservative grader.

Thanks to jaceravone for starting this thread because if he didn't I would never have known that I own one.


LouieLot

 

louielot...the '63 Type B is, unfortunately, the Type B with the highest population. Unless yours will grade a MINIMUM of MS66, the grading fees MAY make it not worth your while, if you get it back in MS65.

 

louielot....PCGS DOES attribute the variety, as does ANACS and ICG. However, I don't think I have to mention which 2 would bring the least money if you were to sell.

 

I pulled mine out and it's a ANACS MS 63 1959...
Is the 59' a tougher date to get?

 

Here are two 1957 UNC quarters. One has the type A reverse and the other has the type B reverse. Hope this helps. Do you see the subtle difference in the spacing between the E and S in States?

 

Duke Kavanaugh...the '59 is one of the more 'common' Type B's. In MS63, unfortunately, it's not a 'money' grade coin, but it is a nice example of a scarce variety. Here are the pops, as far as PCGS goes (I'll try to rustle up the ANACS pops, as NGC doesn't designate the variety....but NGC Washingtons are GREAT to cherrypick this variety). The TOTALS represent ALL PCGS graded Type B's...there ARE some that have graded from F-AU58. Those graded less than MS were graded in August 2009. These totals are up to date as of 12/14/09. Hope this helps. I'll dig up the ANACS pops and post those also.

 

The previous info didnt line up, so I'll try to copy/paste my spreadsheet, and post them. If anyone would like them, before I can figure out how to get them to line up properly, just shoot me a message and I'll be happy to give you the numbers.

 

You know you sure know alot for having a name like "NotSure"
I thank you for your input and it helps me alot.

Do you see these becoming more popular and in doing so have a nice price climb?

Guess I better start looking on Thursday at the Fun show to find one before you get them all. lol Oh yea that show is HUGE. Never mind there will be plenty for us all.

 

Duke....don't count on there being 'plenty'. Also remember, this isn't the only forum these are being discussed on. These are being sought out now in greater numbers, and where they may have been passed over during cherrypicking in the past, you'd better be the first to the tables at FUN to look, as if you aren't the first, any and all will be sought out, found, and gone. Once dealers start to see whats going on, then it could be 'katy bar the door' (some dealers, the sharpest ones, already do recognize what's going on with them).

I only gained my knowledge from learning from THE man on this topic...and due to his efforts, these have very recently been added to the CU price guide (thus far, only the '56 and '61), and already, the '56 in MS66 has a green arrow indicating a price increase. These Type B's WILL see price increases, as the are now required for the PCGS 'Washington Quarters Complete Variety Set, Circulation Strikes (1932-1964)' Registry set. These were virtually an ignored, minor variety as recently as 3-6 months ago. Then, pops were paid attention to (for instance, in PCGS plastic, only 37 TOTAL '56 Type B, 45 TOTAL graded '62, 55 TOTAL '61), combined with the inclusion to the registry set....people realized the true scarcity of these, and now......they are just starting to really take off. Listings on ebay, well, listings went from 1-2, usually unattributed in PCGS or NGC plastic, to currently 55.

I can't stress enough, though, that these really need to be MS65/66 minimum (save for the rarer dates...'56, '62, '61.....minimum 64/65). In order to have them properly attributed, the cost involved to have them graded, you'd really need them in these grades. If you are a 'naked' collector, just make sure you have them as close to gem as possible. The real premiums are in the aforementioned grades, in PCGS plastic. Any other slab, just not going to get the big $$ (ANACS crossovers that I have experienced come back 1 solid point lower minimum...but these ARE being graded tightly, so you'd better have a sure 65 minimum before sending in).

 

For further information, just found this great presentation on the Washington reverses. Be patient with the download time.

http://hermes.csd.net/~coneca/content/QuarterRDVHandout.pdf