Turco-Hephathalite

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  1. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    Turco-Hephthalite
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    AR/BI Drachm (described as BI but looks to be silver, with no breaks where you can see bronze)
    Sogd script
    Bust Style of Sasanian king Vahran V
    (no legend)
    Zoroastrian fire altar flanked by ribbons and attendents. Bust of Ahura Mazda right in flames
    25.4mm
    2.67g


    Ancientnoob posted a similar coin here, at the same time I was looking for mine: http://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-lords-of-bukhara-775-785.230216/#post-1736557


    This coin has very solid blue spots on both sides, which are very distracting in hand. This picture is in black and white, which doesn't show the spots (colored pictures coming in a week)


    Edit- I tried to post a thread on my tablet and it posted before I was ready. The title should read:

    Ancient -> Turco-Hephthalite Drachm!
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Interesting coin. What year(s)?
     
  4. vlaha

    vlaha Respect. The. Hat.

    Looks interesting. History anyone?
     
  5. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    Billon should not have 'breaks'. It can be a uniform mixture of metals of which a minor part may be silver. Sometimes you see them poorly mixed but often they are just grainy and gray. Breaks come when billon degenerated to a point where it was no longer gray so some mints added plating that can break and reveal darker metals below. I might define billon as very base silver too coarse to feel right calling it silver.
     
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  6. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    I believe it to be similar to Anoobs, but am not 100% sure (I forgot to record what was on the flip before I went to my cottage.


    The history can be found at Anoob's page.
     
  7. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    By 'breaks' I meant areas of the patina that didn't fit with the rest of the patina. The coin looks like it is okay silver in hand (more than a billon coin)
     
  8. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Bukhara from around the 7th-8th century. "Turco-Hepthalite" is a guess, since we are not sure who ruled this town then. We know the Hepthalites were firmly entrenched into Sogdian families by then, but are unsure if the Sogdians still controlled Bukhara or if the new Turkish power had taken control.

    So, "Turco-Hepthalite" means we THINK one or the other was in charge, but does not mean we think they joined forces necessarily.
     
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  9. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    I seem to like coins where it is mostly guesswork... :D
     
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  10. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    This coin never stops being phat!
     
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  11. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    A lot of the study of history is either guesswork or dealing with someone with an ax to grind and unwilling to admit that many 'facts' are interpretations of the evidence. Run a list of which Roman Emperors were 'good' or 'bad' and you still can step on toes 2000 years after they died. The secret is not to accept facts without understanding the basis for them being the currently popular flavor.
     
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  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Crazy-interesting coin, my young coin-comrade ...

    => well done my young friend ... well done!!

    Ummm, but I hope that your crazy family doesn't keep you up all night again tonight (your family sounds like a bunch of great partiers!!)

    ;)


    ... anyway ...

    I am sad to hear that your coin has "distracting blue marks" ...

    => I hope that everything works-out for you and your coin!!

    Cheers!! ... ummm (or eat-a-chip!!)
     
  13. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    It's all the time change...

    I can't wait for them to finish time changing...
     
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  14. Windchild

    Windchild Punic YN, Shahanshah

    As I wasn't using the best light to view when I was looking at this coin (for quite some time too), I missed that the color turns into a bronze around the center.

    However, the spots that were as hard as rocks as of yesterday spread and are now soft.

    How should I start treating what I believe to be bronze disease (which must have developed in transit :()
     
  15. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice lookin' coin WC.

    BD?! for just two letters, that's a four letter word!

    scrape with whatever you're ok with using on that coin, distilled water for a couple-three days, repeat with fresh water until all is good, bake it for 15 min at 200 f.
     
  16. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Dude, I'm sorry to hear about your poor coin's illness ... I hope that you're able to
    stop the problem and rescue your new treasure!!

    :(
     
  17. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    I would contact Badthad and get a bottle of verdicare. Seems to work with my coins with BD.
     
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