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<p>[QUOTE="ThinnPikkins, post: 2255603, member: 32346"]Before we delve deeper, I would ask one question:</p><p><br /></p><p>You are charged with a crime you did not commit....</p><p><br /></p><p>You have 2 options</p><p><br /></p><p>1) Take a plea deal to lighten the load of the punishment you would receive if you would have been found guilty in a trial.</p><p><br /></p><p>2) Go to trial and provide evidence supporting your side of things to prove your innocence.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do agree the government has its unjust seizure laws, but that is irrelevant to the Tulving case. How can you take a "plea bargain" to a lesser offense if you have not been charged with anything at all? This is the only way you are offered a plea bargain. Innocent people do not accept plea bargains, criminals do.</p><p><br /></p><p>The only way your post gains relevance is by saying his monies and assets were seized due to this "structuring" law, in which case he would have not had the means to continue fulfillment of orders. Then you have to ask yourself "why was that not reported?" The government stepping in and seizing that amount of P.M. and monies, surely someone would have reported this. </p><p><br /></p><p>If this was in fact the case, he is still liable for prosecution because he was accepting orders he knew he could not fulfill.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am by no means a lawyer, but I am fairly educated on how the system works. If a plea bargain is issued that means only 1 thing:</p><p><br /></p><p>A criminal charge has been issued and to save time and money on an elaborate case that would more then likely take forensic accounts years to come to some sort of a conclusion, they offer a plea bargain.</p><p><br /></p><p>If no crime was commited then there is no basis for a plea deal. What would you plea to?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="ThinnPikkins, post: 2255603, member: 32346"]Before we delve deeper, I would ask one question: You are charged with a crime you did not commit.... You have 2 options 1) Take a plea deal to lighten the load of the punishment you would receive if you would have been found guilty in a trial. 2) Go to trial and provide evidence supporting your side of things to prove your innocence. I do agree the government has its unjust seizure laws, but that is irrelevant to the Tulving case. How can you take a "plea bargain" to a lesser offense if you have not been charged with anything at all? This is the only way you are offered a plea bargain. Innocent people do not accept plea bargains, criminals do. The only way your post gains relevance is by saying his monies and assets were seized due to this "structuring" law, in which case he would have not had the means to continue fulfillment of orders. Then you have to ask yourself "why was that not reported?" The government stepping in and seizing that amount of P.M. and monies, surely someone would have reported this. If this was in fact the case, he is still liable for prosecution because he was accepting orders he knew he could not fulfill. I am by no means a lawyer, but I am fairly educated on how the system works. If a plea bargain is issued that means only 1 thing: A criminal charge has been issued and to save time and money on an elaborate case that would more then likely take forensic accounts years to come to some sort of a conclusion, they offer a plea bargain. If no crime was commited then there is no basis for a plea deal. What would you plea to?[/QUOTE]
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