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<p>[QUOTE="Brett_in_Sacto, post: 2628671, member: 71510"]I disagree. Everyone in the US got hit pretty badly. The ones that got slammed the hardest were the ones that saw "easy money" and no downside, and followed bad advice on the "get rich quick" equity roller coaster. </p><p><br /></p><p>Everyone was affected from the richest to the poorest. There are many that changed from "well off" to relatively poor and even broke, but they were the ones chasing the quick buck.</p><p><br /></p><p>I was in Nevada at the time, and saw all my neighbors with new boats, RV's and taking fancy vacations - and no equity left. And then they panicked and walked out on their mortgages to lose it all.</p><p><br /></p><p>The other side was people that had recently bought at inflated prices without chasing a quick flip, and then sold out / sold short - because of their own short-sightedness and lost it all. Selling in 2009/2010 and not realizing that by 2015 the market would have recovered and instead of owning their problem and just sticking with it - decided to bail out. They lost a lot too, but I look at these as "flakes" that walked out on their mortgages.</p><p><br /></p><p>Instead, I took the opportunity to refi to a 15yr and no cash out. My house has recovered about 90% and is back on track, and my equity is well recovered, and while not at the peak "bubble" levels, it has certainly recovered to a reasonable appreciation level.</p><p><br /></p><p>I also took the opportunity to buy a second home in 2010 that someone had fixed up and bailed on. It's at about 90% of the peak "bubble" value right now.</p><p><br /></p><p>Had most of the families that sold short in panic and accepted foreclosure because they were underwater just held on and owned their responsibility - they'd have all been better off. By the time they add up the money spent on rent, the loss on paper, the penalties, the destruction of their credit record and upheaval of their families, I think most are worse off for bailing - and they should be. They screwed everyone else up that was doing things correctly.</p><p><br /></p><p>I call all of this "ready, FIRE.....aim" syndrome. Nobody bothers to aim anymore, and shoots from the hip in reactive panic. It works in Hollywood Westerns, not usually in real life.</p><p><br /></p><p>In short, most people suffered from self-induced problems making it worse.</p><p><br /></p><p>Those of us that took the conservative investment approach, had a rainy day fund, and were cautiously opportunistic did quite well.</p><p><br /></p><p>For the last 3 years, I've had my old neighbor paying my mortgage in my first home. He panicked, sold short after taking out a huge equity loan, and lost everything. Ruined his credit, his nest egg, and had to find a place to rent. I had no idea he had lived 6 doors down from me until my rental management company told me where he had moved from. He still has his boat though, sitting in the driveway of my home. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Do I feel sorry for him? A bit, but not too much. He made his decisions just like I did, and chose to over-extend.</p><p><br /></p><p>Moral of the story... Sheep will follow the herd, right to the slaughter house. Look beyond the herd and find your own path to freedom.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Brett_in_Sacto, post: 2628671, member: 71510"]I disagree. Everyone in the US got hit pretty badly. The ones that got slammed the hardest were the ones that saw "easy money" and no downside, and followed bad advice on the "get rich quick" equity roller coaster. Everyone was affected from the richest to the poorest. There are many that changed from "well off" to relatively poor and even broke, but they were the ones chasing the quick buck. I was in Nevada at the time, and saw all my neighbors with new boats, RV's and taking fancy vacations - and no equity left. And then they panicked and walked out on their mortgages to lose it all. The other side was people that had recently bought at inflated prices without chasing a quick flip, and then sold out / sold short - because of their own short-sightedness and lost it all. Selling in 2009/2010 and not realizing that by 2015 the market would have recovered and instead of owning their problem and just sticking with it - decided to bail out. They lost a lot too, but I look at these as "flakes" that walked out on their mortgages. Instead, I took the opportunity to refi to a 15yr and no cash out. My house has recovered about 90% and is back on track, and my equity is well recovered, and while not at the peak "bubble" levels, it has certainly recovered to a reasonable appreciation level. I also took the opportunity to buy a second home in 2010 that someone had fixed up and bailed on. It's at about 90% of the peak "bubble" value right now. Had most of the families that sold short in panic and accepted foreclosure because they were underwater just held on and owned their responsibility - they'd have all been better off. By the time they add up the money spent on rent, the loss on paper, the penalties, the destruction of their credit record and upheaval of their families, I think most are worse off for bailing - and they should be. They screwed everyone else up that was doing things correctly. I call all of this "ready, FIRE.....aim" syndrome. Nobody bothers to aim anymore, and shoots from the hip in reactive panic. It works in Hollywood Westerns, not usually in real life. In short, most people suffered from self-induced problems making it worse. Those of us that took the conservative investment approach, had a rainy day fund, and were cautiously opportunistic did quite well. For the last 3 years, I've had my old neighbor paying my mortgage in my first home. He panicked, sold short after taking out a huge equity loan, and lost everything. Ruined his credit, his nest egg, and had to find a place to rent. I had no idea he had lived 6 doors down from me until my rental management company told me where he had moved from. He still has his boat though, sitting in the driveway of my home. :) Do I feel sorry for him? A bit, but not too much. He made his decisions just like I did, and chose to over-extend. Moral of the story... Sheep will follow the herd, right to the slaughter house. Look beyond the herd and find your own path to freedom.[/QUOTE]
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