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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;jolumoga, post: 1805244, member: 41780&quot;]I admit I was not clear in the post you responded to.&nbsp; What I meant to say is that my <i>working assumption</i> is that the markets, all markets, are manipulated.&nbsp; My intent was not to make any affirmations on actual illegality committed, since I am not a lawyer, but rather to point out that more rigorous laws (or their enforcement) are needed. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Regarding the abandonment of the market by retail and other traders, I should point out it&#039;s not just PM investors who have done so.&nbsp; I saw an interview some months ago of Mark Cuban, a billionaire software pioneer, complaining about market manipulation by HFT and the lack of transparency it has brought to the markets.&nbsp; My point is that it is not <i>just</i> Ted Butler grousing, though he does so specifically regarding silver.&nbsp; At the very least, there should be an acknowledgement, in my view, that Mr. Butler is not unusual in his views of market manipulation.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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