Square Sestertii

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  1. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    This lovely but humble coin arrived last week. Many know that I enjoy sestertii most of all and I could not pass this one up when I saw it (and thankfully I was the only bidder). It exhibits the interesting characteristic of the time, a squared planchet. Feel free to post your 'square coins':

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    Otacilia Severa. Augusta, A.D. 244-249. Æ sestertius (34 mm, 20.02 g, 1 h). Rome, Under Philip II, A.D. 245. MARCIA OTACIL SEVERA AVG, diademed and draped bust of Otacilia Severa right / PVDICITIA AVG, S C in exergue, Pudicitia seated left, drawing out veil and holding scepter. RIC 209. Nice red-brown patina, a few light cleaning marks. Very fine.
     
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  3. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    A lovely coin I really like the portrait
     
  4. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    My Volusian sestertius exhibits the same squared-off planchet:

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    Volusian (251-253 A.D.)

    AE Sestertius, 29 mm 16 grams, Rome mint

    Obverse: IMP CAE C VIB VOLVSIANO AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right

    Reverse: FELICITAS PVBLICA S-C, Felicitas standing left, leaning on column, holding caduceus and sceptre.

    Reference:

    RIC 251a, Cohen 35, Sear 9786.
     
  5. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  6. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Gosh Ken, your definition of "humble" is, in my collection, FDC! A very attractive coin - the scowling portrait is fantastic.

    I have several square ones - this first is Trebonianus Gallus - it is in awful condition, but it has an attractive green patina which (somewhat) makes up for it.

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    Trebonianus Gallus Æ Sestertius
    (251-253 A.D.)

    [IMP CAES C VIBIVSTR]EBON[IANVS GALLVS AVG], laureate, draped and
    cuirassed bust right / [PIETAS AVGG], S-C, Pietas standing facing, altar to left.
    RIC 117a; Sear 9676
    (16.70 grams / 24 mm)

    The Trajan Decius DACIA is quite a bit better - and very square. I thought it was interesting that the reverse legend is arranged almost vertically - as if the celator was allowing for the squared-off flans:
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    Trajan Decius Æ Sestertius
    (251 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    IMP C M Q TRAIANVS DECIVS AVG, laureate, cuirassed bust right / DACIA
    S-C, Dacia standing left, holding standard.
    RIC 113a, Cohen 28
    (18.73 grams / 29 mm)
     
  7. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio Supporter

    Interesting coin. I have a few cast pieces that are squarish, after being broken.
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  8. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

  9. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    kool coin..i just now purchased a sest. of Volusian...+ a Leopold ll HRE from Spain..i'll show'em whens i gets'em..:)..anyway..i have a few squares meself..i bought this one as an Oct. Sev., but @Roman Collector educated me that is was Herennia Estrucilla, (which i am grateful for:)) Otacilia sest. new empress coins rocks 002.JPG Otacilia sest. new empress coins rocks 005.JPG
     
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  10. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    Very nice new Otacilia, Ken! Like ACH's above, a squared-off Volusian Sestertius:
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    Volusian, Ruled 251-253 AD
    AE Sestertius, Struck early 253 AD, Rome mint
    Obverse
    : IMP CAE C VIB VOLVSIANO AVG, bust of Volusian, laureate, draped, cuirassed, right.
    Reverse: FELICITAS PVBLICA, Felicitas, draped, standing left, leaning on column, holding caduceus in right hand and transverse sceptre in left hand, S-C across field.
    References: RIC IV 251a
    Size: 29mm, 14.03g

    Correct me if I'm wrong (and FYI for those new ancients collectors out there), the squared planchet illustrated here is more than likely caused by the method of production of the planchets prior to striking. I've heard that the bronze was first made into roundish/square-ish rods that were then cut/sawed into discs and were struck.

    Edit: similar discussion here - https://www.cointalk.com/threads/square-rectangular-coins-e-g-gordian-iii.317172/

    "I always imagined they were cutting the flans from bars, like slicing bread, and that it was easier to make and cut squared-off bars." - @Severus Alexander
     
  11. Nicholas Molinari

    Nicholas Molinari Well-Known Member

    A few of mine meet that criteria, or at least come close:

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  12. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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    PHILIP I
    AE Sestertius
    OBVERSE: IMP M IVL PHILIPPVS AVG, laureate and draped bust right
    REVERSE: AETERNITAS AVGG, elephant and driver walking left, SC in ex.
    Struck at Rome, 247-8 AD
    20.6g, 28mm
    RIC 161a
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    MAXIMINUS I
    AE Sestertius
    OBVERSE: IMP MAXIMINVS PIVS AVG, laureate, draped & cuirassed bust right
    REVERSE: FIDES MILITVM S-C, Fides standing left, standard in each hand
    Struck at Rome, 235-236 16.3g, 30mm
    RIC 43
     
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  13. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Have you noticed that sestertii of the perio tend to have at least one squared side but asses rarely do? The flan prep routine was different for some reason I do not understand.
    Gordian III sestertius two adjacent sides flat
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    Trebonianus Gallus sestertius = two opposite sides flat (bonus nail hole)
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    Gordian III as - round
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  14. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Maybe copper was easier to make into round bars - whereas orichalcum may not have been??? :)
     
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  15. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Lovely coin, Ken. Here is one with a squarish flan:

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    Herennia Etruscilla, AD 249-251
    Roman orichalcum sestertius, 14.04 gm, 28.3 mm
    Rome, AD 250-251
    Obv: HERENNIA ETRVSCILLA AVG, diademed and draped bust, right
    Rev: FECVNDITAS AVG SC, Fecunditas standing left, right hand extended to child standing at her feet; holding cornucopiae
    Refs: RIC 134a; Sear 9504; Cohen 9; Hunter 12.

    This one from her husband is pretty square, too:

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    Trajan Decius AD 249-251
    Roman Æ sestertius; 26 mm, 15.09 g
    Rome, AD 250-251
    Obv: IMP CMQ TRAIANVS DECIVS AVG, laureate and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: PANNONIAE S C, the two Pannoniae standing side by side, holding standards
    Refs: RIC 124a; Cohen 87; Sear 9407; Hunter 54.
     
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  16. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    In a Google search about the topic, there was a Forvm DB post that in which someone didn't believe the Romans word expend so much effort in cutting a planchet mentioning that it'd take at least 10 minutes with a modern hacksaw. But I've seen a documentary about how the ancients had cut stone slabs in quarries with a saw with multiple saw blades of after another and it got me thinking that this could maybe be the case with these too? Maybe 10-20 saw blades set 8-10mm apart all moving back and forth together? Also, Roman's used work animals to ease efforts in industry, so maybe the saw was driven by a set of donkeys walking in circles spinning a spindle? Like they did with grinding grain?
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  17. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    Augustus, Roman Provincial, Æ24
    Hispania Ulterior, Osset, San Juan de Aznalfarache (Sevilla) 27 - 14 BC
    23 x 24 mm, 7.28 g
    Ref.: RPC 58; SNG Copenhagen 174-175; CNG 78; CNH p.396,8 (L. Villaronga, "Corpus Nummum Hispaniae ante Augusti Aetatem", Madrid 1994); Lindgren 31; Burgos 1196

    The attribution of this type to Augustus is uncertain, but generally accepted by numismatists.

    Ob.: OSSET before bare head of Augustus r.
    Rev: naked Dionysos (or genius of the city?) standing left, holding large bunch grapes and thyrsus
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  18. Shea19

    Shea19 Well-Known Member

    Not quite as pronounced as some of the others in this thread, but this Gordian III has a squarish flan.

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  19. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    A Gallienus that I had posted a while ago in another thread when I was wondering why some coins were square:
    Æ Sestertius
    Rome, 254 AD 1st emission, struck under the authority of Valerian and Gallienus
    Ref.: RIC V Gallienus (joint reign) 248; Sear 10495; MIR 36, 38bb;
    Ob: (IMP C P ) LIC GALLIENVS AVG, Laureate and cuirassed bust right
    Rev.: (VIRTVS) AVGG, Soldier, helmeted, in military attire, standing left, holding spear in right hand and leaning on shield with left hand, S - C across field

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    and Marcus Aurelius also seems to have been struck quite "squarish" :oops:
    Æ Sestertius, Rome, 168 - 169 AD
    Ref.: RIC III 969; Cohen 822;
    30 x 33 mm, 27.70 g
    Ob.: M ANTONINVS AVG ARM PARTH MAX laureate head right
    Rev.: TR POT XXIII IMP V COS III Aequitas seated left, holding scales in right hand and cornucopiae in left hand

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  20. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Not mine anymore, but kinda square, Mariniana :
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    And some from my trays

    Herennia Etruscilla :
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    Valerian :
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    Salonina :
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