square / rectangular coins, e.g. Gordian III

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by cmezner, May 27, 2018.

  1. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    Some of Gordian's coins are more square / rectangular in shape, like this one. Do you guys know if there was a reason for this shape?
    I asked the same question on the "Roman Provincial Coin Cities-- How many can we cover?" thread about an Augustus coin from Osset - also a square / rectangular coin. But got no answer :-(

    This is the Gordian III coin:
    Sestertius, Rome, 240 243 AD
    RIC IV 300 - 300a; Sear 8782; Cohen 123;
    29 mm; 22.36 g
    Obverse: IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right
    Reverse: LAETITIA AVG N Laetitia standing left, holding wreath and anchor; S - C at the bottom

    Was there a reason for this shape ? #412-IMG_0384.jpg #412-IMG_0389.jpg
     
    randygeki, chrsmat71, Evan8 and 8 others like this.
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Squarish flans were common in the mid-third-century. Here are a few of mine:

    Philipp II PRINCIPI IVVENT sestertius.jpg
    Philip II

    Otacilia Severa SAECVLARES AVGG Sestertius.jpg
    Otacilia Severa

    Trajan Decius PANNONIAE sestertius.jpg
    Trajan Decius

    Etruscilla FECVNDITAS AVG sestertius.jpg
    Herennia Etruscilla
     
    randygeki, chrsmat71, Evan8 and 8 others like this.
  4. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    Thanks Roman Collector, interesting :) so it was maybe just fashionable, not wear and tear or easier to struck squares ?
     
  5. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Mine is fairly round :cigar:

    gordian_6 (1).jpg
     
    randygeki, chrsmat71, Evan8 and 4 others like this.
  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Just the way they made the flans.
     
    Evan8 likes this.
  7. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I have a slightly squared off Gordian:
    Screen Shot 2018-05-27 at 9.15.39 PM.jpg

    But my squarest is definitely this Gallienus:
    Screen Shot 2018-05-27 at 9.16.38 PM.jpg

    I always imagined they were cutting the flans from bars, like slicing bread, and that it was easier to make and cut squared-off bars.
     
    randygeki, chrsmat71, Evan8 and 11 others like this.
  8. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    I Agree with Severus Alexander, here's one from Marcus Aurelius:

    P1180606 2.jpg
     
    randygeki, Evan8, TIF and 7 others like this.
  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Oh yes, the Antonine dynasty had its share of squarish flans:

    Lucilla IVNONI LVCINAE Sestertius.jpg
    Sestertius of Lucilla, IVNONI LVCINAE

    Crispina IVNO LVCINAE As.jpg
    Middle bronze of Crispina, IVNONI LVCINAE

    Crispina SALVS Sestertius 1.jpg
    Crispina SALVS Sestertius 2.jpg
    Sestertii of Crispina, SALVS (different obverse legends).
     
    randygeki, chrsmat71, Evan8 and 10 others like this.
  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I have heard that as well. Of course, it's Kevin in flan quality control who is responsible.
     
  11. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here is my Severus Alexander, also a bit squared off...

    sevalex3.jpg

    sevalex4.jpg
     
    randygeki, chrsmat71, Evan8 and 5 others like this.
  12. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Not fashion, sometimes control officers would not be at their task maybe...

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    Q
     
    randygeki, chrsmat71, cmezner and 8 others like this.
  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    20twio.jpg

    How'd I forget this one? You started off the thread with a bronze of Gordian III, too! I had forgotten about this example until I posted it in @Bing 's Gordy thread.

    Gordian III Libertas standing sestertius.jpg
     
    randygeki, chrsmat71, TIF and 6 others like this.
  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Can I ditto dat?
    actually, my only Gordian:
    RI Gordian III 238-244 CE AE As 25mm Hercules S-C.jpg
    RI Gordian III 238-244 CE AE As 25mm Hercules S-C

    But, I am going to have to get one of them-thar "Square"-flans!
     
    randygeki, chrsmat71, TIF and 5 others like this.
  15. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    I found 2 relevant coins of Gordian III and Berenike. But the nearly perfect square in my possession belongs to James II De Lusignan of Cyprus- 1463 AD. GordApoll R Cohen 262.jpg GordApol Ses  RIC 303 a scarce.jpg Bern Aphlast  Marathos.jpg Bernike O       BMC 3ff.JPG James2Cyprs  Lusignan.jpg Jacques 1463 Batardsizain.jpg
     
    randygeki, TIF, Johndakerftw and 4 others like this.
  16. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    My only square sestertius

    Faustian II
    Comb05122017081410.jpg
     
  17. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    I also have a square Faustina II!

    Capture.JPG
     
  18. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  19. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    and yet another Gallienus:
    Sestertius, Orichalcum(?) 25 mm, 13.78 g; Rome, 254 AD, 1st emission, struck under the authority of Valerian and Gallienus
    Obverse: [IMP C P ] LIC GALLIENVS AVG, Laureate and cuirassed bust right
    Reverse: [VIRTVS] AVG[G], Soldier, helmeted, in military attire, standing left, holding spear in right hand and leaning on shield with left hand, S - C across field
    Reference: RIC V Gallienus (joint reign) 248; Sear 10495;

    The system of Aes coinages first introduced and regularized by Augustus effectively came to an end during Gallienus’ reign. Sestertii, dupondii and Asses were issued in some quantity at first, however, during the end of the joint reign with the Antoninianus reduced to little more than a bronze coin, the production of Aes must have become less profitable and output declined accordingly. By 258 AD the issue of Aes had effectively ceased; however, very small numbers were struck in the early years of the sole reign. Most sestertii exhibit squared and uneven edges. Gallienus invariably appears laureate on sestertii and asses, and radiate on dupondii.

    #389-IMG_2506.jpg #389-IMG_2511.jpg
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page