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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;imrich, post: 913135, member: 22331&quot;]<b>Relative Values For Cleaned/Uncleaned Coins</b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>The statement espoused is</b><b> unborn true by fact, when offerings are presented to unbiased consumers, and merely a myth generated by a self-serving group of individuals, seemingly having an agenda of personal gain. &quot;cleaned&quot; coins often command great premiums, relative to the less than bullion value that greedy dealers offer. These same dealers often offer relatively junk coins, overgraded by supposedly premium TPG, similar to the following attachments (the &quot;green label&quot; ms63 premium overgraded uncleaned coin comes complete with lack-luster appearance, &quot;bag rub&quot;, rim nicks, field chatter, gouges, scratches, and copper spots):&nbsp; </b></p><p><a href="http://www.cointalk.com/attachments/70922d1268706361t-06d-62.jpg" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/attachments/70922d1268706361t-06d-62.jpg">http://www.cointalk.com/attachments/70922d1268706361t-06d-62.jpg</a></p><p><a href="http://www.cointalk.com/attachments/70923d1268706408t-97s-63.jpg" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/attachments/70923d1268706408t-97s-63.jpg">http://www.cointalk.com/attachments/70923d1268706408t-97s-63.jpg</a></p><p><b>After more than 10 years of trying to determine what the average consumer desires, placing &quot;top tier&quot; certified ugly &quot;natural&quot; coins in auction with a starting bid of &quot;CDN bid minus 10%&quot;, and cleaned coins of the same type/era/grade, I&#039;ve substantiated that you are in the majority. I have those same certified coins, imaging some in past posts, as I never even receive an initial bid. The cleaned coins always sold when listed with similar pricing. I know from dealer communications that a significant portion of coins </b><b>are cleaned before being </b><b>submitted for certification.</b></p><p><b>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A definite proof of my pleadings is shown by the relative sale of an proclaimed &quot;cleaned&quot; coin of a lower grade in eBay #120574232220, versus that of a higher grade &quot;uncleaned&quot; coin in eBay #180513411928. The coin auctions closed after the </b>&#039;Cleaned coins carry NO, NO, NO numismatic value, regardless of how&nbsp; unique or rare they are.&#039;<b> statement was posted, with the &quot;cleaned&quot; coin selling at greater than 15000 times bullion value, outpricing the identical date/type higher grade &quot;uncleaned&quot; coin,&nbsp; closing ~1 hour apart in the same sales venue.&nbsp; I suggest&nbsp; one consider the source when digesting unsubstantiated arguments. I believe your response to be appropriate, and probably more elegant than mine. I trust you&#039;ll accept my humble substantiative evidence. :high5:</b></p><p><b>&nbsp;</b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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