Some observations from the coin show

If a seller puts a buy it now price on ebay then invites offers, it is a mixed message. If offers are an option I am more likely to bid considering what the item is worth to me. The seller has declared what he'd like, I'll offer what I'd like to pay what I think is a fair price based on spot values and a premium for how much I want it. That may well be a 'lowball offer' in the sellers opinion. You don't want offers, don't offer the option. If you don't want to accept the offer if one is made, dont.

 

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Let's say your hero and the other soup guys are offering similar products, maybe, just maybe, an easy going attitude and ability not to get offended easily, will allow a person to sell more of their soup, long term. As I recall, your hero's recipes were not that original by the end of that episode. Furthermore, people, customers went out of their way to knock him down a peg. You can either adapt or just begin writing another set of rules for those you interact with, daily.

 

Personally, Progresso is the best soup you can buy. The tin can with the cord to the soup kitchen proves it.............

 

Problem is, I think we might be arguing with guys that used to sell in the old days and now, either don't sell or stand around at shows, complain that it is slow and occasionally refer to each other as thieves. I'm not sure they had a chance to adapt to the new generation of paying customers or factor in the "Buy It Now or Best Offer" option that evolved around them. You are right, it is the norm and very acceptable worldwide. Under a rock, however, you might still encounter the odd vindictive and bitter response, where the price goes up and your money is no longer welcome.

Several times, I have reached out to guys who do not display the "Best Offer" option and ended up with a new listing just for me at a lower price or free shipping.

 

I love how your example of society tolerating a nonprofessional attitude is a fictional reference from television. Is television where you get your code of acceptable behavior?

 

I'm just going to point out a couple of things here

1. I'm actually an adult which means I don't just have to do as you tell me. This is a forum to discuss points of view and coins.

2. I love that you answer is "because I told you so". Truth still is that kind of behavior is not tolerated anywhere in sales and pretty much everywhere else. I'm still waiting for you or anyone to tell me when it is ok to as a business practice where this is acceptable.

3. It is totally awesome that I'm acting like a child because I'm insisting that adults not act like children.

4. most interestingly I see you do live up to your belief system. I was "wrong" here in this discussion so you lowered yourself to using childlike insults. Let me show you how an actual adult acts. I will not engage in personal responses to your statement. I may observe you have never been held to professional standards when you lecture us on why inappropriate behavior is professional. I will not call you a stinky doo-doo head. I left that behavior on the playground where it belongs.

We can totally agree to disagree. No problem but I don't just accept an argument because I was told to. Those times are decades behind me.

When I was a young child acting out in public my father would simply say "we are in a place of business." He wouldn't say anything more. I was taught from an early age what behavior is acceptable in a social environment and what is expected in a business environment. For myself, there are state civil laws preventing me from acting like you believe is ok. I certainly don't expect someone else to have to live up to the standards I do. But being a professional bleeds into your personal life. While I may not expect Emily post from you I do expect you to leave the playground in elementary school.

Dealers Listen to what the customers here are telling you. We are specifically telling you and condor that we will not do business with you. Dealers are in business to make money right? Someone even said that if a dealer did that to the guy next to him they would not do business with the dealer. I would never do business with the guy because I believe what I was told once. "You can't get a good deal from a bad man". Acting like that costs not one customer but many more as well.

But that's cool. Just call me childish because I'm insisting adults not act like children. Maybe your position isn't sounding too smart. I don't expect you to get it there clearly is an "old school" way of doing things but some people I guess don't realize things have changed.

 

How many hours have you spent on this topic?

 

Too many

 

the manager treated me like crap for trying to negotiate on a clearance priced camera today. There were a half dozen not selling in the case, but the manager claimed they wouldn't match online sales. She was very rude and all I could do was walk away

 

She was probably trained by Stewart dandis

 

Give that girl a raise.

 

yeah really lived up to their price match policy huh?

 

she was probably just being lazy or did't know how to discount the item

 

In the UK, I understand that a price is an 'invitation to treat' and not a binding obligation. If you mis price an item you are not obliged to sell unless the transaction has been concluded. This was evident by the Kodak mis price issue years ago. An invitation to treat does not disallow negotiation but some environments are more condusive than others. I don't try to haggle in Tesco, but may at a market.

 

agreed. To stay on topic, the problem really lies in asking for a 'best price.' It is a tactless and lazy method of negotiation best used when the deck is stacked in your favor as in the example given of that employed by Hardcore Pawn. When a person comes in selling their only items of value because they are in a bind for cash it is expected for pawn guys to act this way in their own store.

If you are, as you say, on an even playing field with the coin dealer in the market place then neither is superior to the other either.

if a coin is not priced, throw out your personal offer first and do the dance..... Ask what he needs for it, then assess it in front of him, with a counter offer.

Skipping the art of negotiation by leading with "what's your best price" IS insulting. I'm no coin dealer either. If you can demonstrate some knowledge to be that I may learn something I didn't before would be worth a discounted price. If you show that you REALLY love it, you may sway the price by the end of a show.

But....
If you cannot extend the courtesy of justification to the dealer for himself to take a loss, why should he take one? After all, there is something to be said for the ability to inspect in hand prior to purchase, vs waiting for delivery and or those 'unfortunate circumstances' that arise with packages in transit, the hassle and added cost of shipping returns, the time tied up and possible hassle of or wait for a refund....

All I say is, leading with "what's your best price" says to me: "Neither you as a person, nor this transaction is important enough to me to warrant my full attention for very long."

So I can understand the response to that being "Neither is your business with me." Because as a buyer, I realize that I have all the time in the world to find what I'm looking for. Just the same way that as a coin dealer or any other owner of any other thing, I can pick and choose who I sell it to AND for which price.

I can answer the question about another profession where price hikes are acceptable too. I've seen it done in bars to undesirable patrons as a way of chasing them off. I've seen it done during estimates for construction jobs, structure moving jobs, as people do their jobs and become specialized or very adept and ask for raises they are essentially raising the price of their services, especially if they are the only one trained for a particular task. My favorite is the contractor who gets half done, then hikes the price.

There. What did I miss?

 

it probably also depends on how long a dealer has been sitting on a certain coin you want. certain coins might sell quickly and certain coins might be in the dealers inventory for a year or two. it might be tough negotiating on a desirable coin recently acquired by a dealer. and easier to negotiate on a coin a dealer has had in stock for some time.

 

as far as proper etiquette at coin shows, I always try to be polite no matter who Im dealing with. but if the person Im dealing with starts acting Hoity Toity then I move on.

Im not trying to be rude but coin collectors and dealers are nerdy for the most part and its kinda funny hearing nerdy people talk about proper etiquette.

I wonder if Trekkies debate proper etiquette at star trek conventions ?

I guess that makes me a nerd too!

 

Did she raise the price on you, after you made the offer?

 

I wonder if one group of Trekkies takes the time to outline rules, over and over, for the others, at a mutually shared venue?

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/coin-show-etiquette-from-a-dealers-perspective.183045/

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/recycled-article-no-1-coin-show-etiquette.209153/

 

I think you missed the part about being a vendor or retail. The service/construction industry also changes based on how many additional requests a customer adds, after agreeing to an original estimate. It is called an estimate for a reason. That is why you pay as you go and the rest upon completion.

At a bar, a drunk may need to be discouraged from buying more, that is how you look after the rest of your clientele, their presence is essential to your business, best they feel comfortable. How does raising the price during a negotiation on a coin, to spite the interested party, present itself in the eyes of an onlooker?

I would prefer apples to apples, unless that part really does not matter to you.

 

worse yet, would not even listen to the offer