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<p>[QUOTE="Cloudsweeper99, post: 1084612, member: 3011"]First of all, reread what I wrote. I said a "traders mentality." This has nothing to do with long term investing, value investing, and illiquid investments such as real estate. It's a different game with a different mindset. A trader who owned dot-coms in 1998 did <b><i><u>exactly</u></i></b> the right thing and made a significant amount of money afterward. Since good trading always implies the use of loss controls, most got out with most of their gains. It was the investors, especially those buying the dips, who took a beating. But you missed the most important point. Contrarians often miss the point that it is the moves of the majority that drive prices. I saw CNBC parade a host of professionals on air after the DJIA fell from 14,000 to 12,000. All of them were bullish because the majority were bearish. Well, the majority turned out to be correct all the way down. The point is that contrarians are only correct at the EXTREME of market moves, up or down, and are wrong the rest of the way.</p><p><br /></p><p>I was a diehard value investor for most of my life. After the 2000 tech stock crash, I reveiwed what had just happened. While you are correct that most people learned that it doesn't pay to invest in a bubble, I learned just the opposite -- that tremendous amounts of money can be made in bull markets even if the underlying asset is overpriced. But this technique also requires strict loss-control rules. Since then I've added some simple trend following methods to my other investing techniques [although not usually for the same investments] and I've been happy with the results. I've even modified my former value investment methods to make them more "mechanical," which seems better suited to 21st century markets.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, that's my story. It might not work in theory, so you can't teach it to your students, but it works in practice.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Cloudsweeper99, post: 1084612, member: 3011"]First of all, reread what I wrote. I said a "traders mentality." This has nothing to do with long term investing, value investing, and illiquid investments such as real estate. It's a different game with a different mindset. A trader who owned dot-coms in 1998 did [B][I][U]exactly[/U][/I][/B] the right thing and made a significant amount of money afterward. Since good trading always implies the use of loss controls, most got out with most of their gains. It was the investors, especially those buying the dips, who took a beating. But you missed the most important point. Contrarians often miss the point that it is the moves of the majority that drive prices. I saw CNBC parade a host of professionals on air after the DJIA fell from 14,000 to 12,000. All of them were bullish because the majority were bearish. Well, the majority turned out to be correct all the way down. The point is that contrarians are only correct at the EXTREME of market moves, up or down, and are wrong the rest of the way. I was a diehard value investor for most of my life. After the 2000 tech stock crash, I reveiwed what had just happened. While you are correct that most people learned that it doesn't pay to invest in a bubble, I learned just the opposite -- that tremendous amounts of money can be made in bull markets even if the underlying asset is overpriced. But this technique also requires strict loss-control rules. Since then I've added some simple trend following methods to my other investing techniques [although not usually for the same investments] and I've been happy with the results. I've even modified my former value investment methods to make them more "mechanical," which seems better suited to 21st century markets. Anyway, that's my story. It might not work in theory, so you can't teach it to your students, but it works in practice.[/QUOTE]
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