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<p>[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1651215, member: 41665"]No. The long-term timespan of 28-49 years is approriate to the adult lifespan/horizon of an active US investor. For future outlook, the <i>most recent previous</i> ~30year period (1983-2013) is more germane than any other (e.g. 1953-83, 1933-53, 1903-33 etc.) Since the USD$ has only floated since 1973 I'd also <i>discount </i>any other comparison, say, to periods/currencies backed by PMs (apples-to-oranges.) The 200-year average for the gold to silver ratio might be ~37 to 1, but that's almost totally irrelevant to living investors now. </p><p><br /></p><p>Momentary and freak price dips/spikes excepted, I reject your assumed GSR reversion-to-mean of 15-20 Ag/ozt to 1 Au (400 year historical level). <i>If </i>something like that should happen (imagine Silver hits $120. when Gold is at $2,400. = GSR 20 in 2015) man should SELL Silver fast: that bell has rung!</p><p><br /></p><p>As for my "baseline," the current GSR is <i>approximate </i>to the modern historical avg, not wildly askew. For the last 45 years, POG $1650 ÷ POS $31 = 53.22, almost spot on the GSR 45-year average. More importantly, the GSR charts below show great fluctuations (100>20) and volatility. So I wouldn't get too excited about GSR 35 nor GSR 70, either way. </p><p><br /></p><p>It's true Silver has appreciated recently and I can envision Silver appreciating more (as I wrote "I'm not bearish on Ag") but that's no reason to overweight Ag. Why? Based on the last decade's data, <b>Silver is a much riskier PM (POS has ~2x the volatility of POG.) </b>So neither of these qualifications/clarifications mean Silver is <i>undervalued </i>(to me) nor am I "undervaluing" that PM. Rather, Ag risk profile signals CAUTION! </p><p><br /></p><p>It's totally reckless for retail noobs to try and trade the GSR. Don't bother/try. Flipping bullion in the short term is a fool's errand with almost certain loss. Particularly in periods when paper currencies become unstable, retail investors can easily get crushed in poorly understood (market-timing) arbitrage gambles. Caveat emptor. </p><p><br /></p><p>otoh - and because there are <i>always </i>exceptions - extraordinary bell-ringing moments can be the best time to buy/sell whatever's CHEAP-CHEAP/pricey <i>in moderation</i>. An historical 200yr LOW for Rhodium (in Au/ozt) is one such opportunity. So if you don't hold <i>any </i>Rh... consider a 3-5% allocation. That's just my two cents. </p><p>[ATTACH]240775.vB[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Goldprice.org's 1975-2013 GSR chart:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=CONFIG]240730[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Matthew Green's crude GSR chart, 1900-1911</p><p>[ATTACH=CONFIG]240734[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Bullionvault.com's 1882-2012 GSR chart</p><p>[ATTACH=CONFIG]240742[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I'd never seen Palmer's Silver Price Chart, 1900-1982 before:</p><p>[ATTACH=CONFIG]240755[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1651215, member: 41665"]No. The long-term timespan of 28-49 years is approriate to the adult lifespan/horizon of an active US investor. For future outlook, the [I]most recent previous[/I] ~30year period (1983-2013) is more germane than any other (e.g. 1953-83, 1933-53, 1903-33 etc.) Since the USD$ has only floated since 1973 I'd also [I]discount [/I]any other comparison, say, to periods/currencies backed by PMs (apples-to-oranges.) The 200-year average for the gold to silver ratio might be ~37 to 1, but that's almost totally irrelevant to living investors now. Momentary and freak price dips/spikes excepted, I reject your assumed GSR reversion-to-mean of 15-20 Ag/ozt to 1 Au (400 year historical level). [I]If [/I]something like that should happen (imagine Silver hits $120. when Gold is at $2,400. = GSR 20 in 2015) man should SELL Silver fast: that bell has rung! As for my "baseline," the current GSR is [I]approximate [/I]to the modern historical avg, not wildly askew. For the last 45 years, POG $1650 ÷ POS $31 = 53.22, almost spot on the GSR 45-year average. More importantly, the GSR charts below show great fluctuations (100>20) and volatility. So I wouldn't get too excited about GSR 35 nor GSR 70, either way. It's true Silver has appreciated recently and I can envision Silver appreciating more (as I wrote "I'm not bearish on Ag") but that's no reason to overweight Ag. Why? Based on the last decade's data, [B]Silver is a much riskier PM (POS has ~2x the volatility of POG.) [/B]So neither of these qualifications/clarifications mean Silver is [I]undervalued [/I](to me) nor am I "undervaluing" that PM. Rather, Ag risk profile signals CAUTION! It's totally reckless for retail noobs to try and trade the GSR. Don't bother/try. Flipping bullion in the short term is a fool's errand with almost certain loss. Particularly in periods when paper currencies become unstable, retail investors can easily get crushed in poorly understood (market-timing) arbitrage gambles. Caveat emptor. otoh - and because there are [I]always [/I]exceptions - extraordinary bell-ringing moments can be the best time to buy/sell whatever's CHEAP-CHEAP/pricey [I]in moderation[/I]. An historical 200yr LOW for Rhodium (in Au/ozt) is one such opportunity. So if you don't hold [I]any [/I]Rh... consider a 3-5% allocation. That's just my two cents. [ATTACH]240775.vB[/ATTACH] Goldprice.org's 1975-2013 GSR chart: [ATTACH=CONFIG]240730[/ATTACH] Matthew Green's crude GSR chart, 1900-1911 [ATTACH=CONFIG]240734[/ATTACH] Bullionvault.com's 1882-2012 GSR chart [ATTACH=CONFIG]240742[/ATTACH] I'd never seen Palmer's Silver Price Chart, 1900-1982 before: [ATTACH=CONFIG]240755[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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