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<p>[QUOTE="Rono, post: 1077444, member: 6492"]Howdy folks,</p><p> </p><p>Just read the thread and was most intrigued. I've been playing the metals via investments and bullion for 20 years. I once owned SLSLX a long defunct silver mutual fund. Didn't make any money but that was before the present bull market that started in 2001/2. </p><p>Everything I've ever read has the g/s ratio at between 15 and 20 to 1; and other than recent times for most of known history. Granted, much was by govt fiat with exchange rates and all, but it was also a market driven metric. </p><p> </p><p>Today the markets are very different. As you mentioned, gold and silver are neither officially a currency of any country so you've got market forces driving the ratio. You've also got two very different metals (and markets) with gold more a store of value and silver more an industrial metal. Very different demand curves and profiles. India was mentioned where it's a cultural thing. It's the womens social security, if you will and all gift giving revolves around gold. The chinese have long loved silver as a store of value, but were also banned from owning gold until recently and the pent up demand . . . . Oh, and throw in all of Chindia's nouveau riche buying bling.</p><p> </p><p>As for the gold/silver ratio, it matters because people think it matters and behave accordingly. I use it as a guide to fine tune my pm investments. Currently, I'm trying to add silver miners relative to silver bullion and silver relative to gold. The pure play would be to ratio your holdings of gold and silver to match the existing ratio. As it chanages, you rebalance. I was passing thru Ft Campbell last spring and stopped a coin store to window shop. Discussed this with the owner and he felt strongly you needed to be down at 50 to 1 at the time. I wasn't quite there, but it was a good year. ;-)</p><p> </p><p>I don't know how the bullion ETFs have impacted the market - the jury is still out. It's like the gold/xau ratio. Another long used metric of the balancing of mining stocks to bullion. We know that miners and bullion mirror each other over time. However, they can diverge greatly in the short run and the gold/xau ratio is a measure of that divergence. It's been waaaaayyy high - 7's and 8's when the equilibrium point has always been 4.0. Under that you sell stocks and buy bullion. Over 5 and you sell bullion and buy stocks. Ah, but I really thing the bullion ETF's like GLD have screwed this up and have moved the break point higher. feh. I know it means you should be long mining stocks relative to bullion. </p><p> </p><p>And keep in mind, please that all of this is on the margin and simply fine tuning some investments. </p><p> </p><p>peace,</p><p> </p><p>rono[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Rono, post: 1077444, member: 6492"]Howdy folks, Just read the thread and was most intrigued. I've been playing the metals via investments and bullion for 20 years. I once owned SLSLX a long defunct silver mutual fund. Didn't make any money but that was before the present bull market that started in 2001/2. Everything I've ever read has the g/s ratio at between 15 and 20 to 1; and other than recent times for most of known history. Granted, much was by govt fiat with exchange rates and all, but it was also a market driven metric. Today the markets are very different. As you mentioned, gold and silver are neither officially a currency of any country so you've got market forces driving the ratio. You've also got two very different metals (and markets) with gold more a store of value and silver more an industrial metal. Very different demand curves and profiles. India was mentioned where it's a cultural thing. It's the womens social security, if you will and all gift giving revolves around gold. The chinese have long loved silver as a store of value, but were also banned from owning gold until recently and the pent up demand . . . . Oh, and throw in all of Chindia's nouveau riche buying bling. As for the gold/silver ratio, it matters because people think it matters and behave accordingly. I use it as a guide to fine tune my pm investments. Currently, I'm trying to add silver miners relative to silver bullion and silver relative to gold. The pure play would be to ratio your holdings of gold and silver to match the existing ratio. As it chanages, you rebalance. I was passing thru Ft Campbell last spring and stopped a coin store to window shop. Discussed this with the owner and he felt strongly you needed to be down at 50 to 1 at the time. I wasn't quite there, but it was a good year. ;-) I don't know how the bullion ETFs have impacted the market - the jury is still out. It's like the gold/xau ratio. Another long used metric of the balancing of mining stocks to bullion. We know that miners and bullion mirror each other over time. However, they can diverge greatly in the short run and the gold/xau ratio is a measure of that divergence. It's been waaaaayyy high - 7's and 8's when the equilibrium point has always been 4.0. Under that you sell stocks and buy bullion. Over 5 and you sell bullion and buy stocks. Ah, but I really thing the bullion ETF's like GLD have screwed this up and have moved the break point higher. feh. I know it means you should be long mining stocks relative to bullion. And keep in mind, please that all of this is on the margin and simply fine tuning some investments. peace, rono[/QUOTE]
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