Featured Roman Province of Antioch in Syria, Emperor by Emperor (Pile On Thread)

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  1. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    Justin, I never got any feedback on that coin :( & Heritage will never reveal who the buyer is unless they try to resell thru Heritage. I did sell another Augustus Tet thru Heritage on their April 25, 2012 auction that tops any other that went thru my hands :smuggrin:. see photos below. It is a rare Year 31 (1 BC / AD 1) coin, 27 mm, 15.22 gm. Despite the porosity & network of tiny die breaks on the obverse the coin sold for $2,415.00 :rolleyes:.

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  3. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing Supporter

    That's completely expected, but thought I'd ask anyways :)

    Wow x2!! That's gotta be as close to "as struck" as one can get!
  4. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Hoping to figure this out eventually....

  5. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    Justin, I did get the coin slabbed by NGC before sending it to Heritage. They graded it: Ch AU, Strike 5/5, Surface 3/5, Fine Style, Lt. porosity.
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  6. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing Supporter

    -- Tiberius -------------------------
    Let’s move on to Tiberius, who ruled from 14 to 37 AD.

    In the year 19 AD, there was an earthquake in Syria, and though the epicenter was in Sidon (modern day Lebanon, ~350km south of Antioch), it was felt in Antioch and throughout Syria (Sbeinati, Darawcheh, Mouty, 2005). This might have stricken fear in the people based on the great devastation that another earthquake caused in Lydia two years prior.

    Also in 19 AD, on October 10th Germanicus dies in Antioch under suspicious circumstances (was he poisoned by Gnaeus Calpurnius Piso, the governor of Syria?).

    Here are my two "SC & Wreath" types of Tiberius:

    Struck 31-32 AD
    : TI CAESAR AVG TR POT XXXIII, Laureate head right.
    Reverse: S·C, legend within laurel wreath of six leaves fastened at top with pellet, all between inner and outer borders.
    References: RPC I 4272, McAlee 217b​

    Size: 26mm, 14.0g

    Size: 27.5mm, 14.8g

    What Antioch Tiberius coins do you have?
    Do you have a different type you can share?
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  7. cmezner

    cmezner Well-Known Member

    Æ Semis:
    Seleucis & Pieria, Antioch, 14 - 15 AD Dated RY 1 and 45 of the Actian Era (14 AD)
    25 mm, 13.82 g
    Ref.: RPC I 4270; McAlee 216; BMC Galatia 150
    Ob.: ΣЄBAΣTO ΣЄBAΣTOY KAIΣAP Bare head right
    Rev.: A / ЄΠI ΣI / ΛANOY / ANTIO / XЄΩN / ЄM in six lines within laurel wreath

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    Legate series. Q. Caecelius Metellus Creticus Silanus, legatus. Dated RY 1 and 45 of the Actian Era (14). There is some reason to believe that the Augustan issues had commenced in ca. 7 BC to provide allusions to contemporary proconsuls at a time when there was special need of the amici. The governors selected by Augustus (or by the cities at a hint from him) for these honors were without exception amici principi, and every one of them was related to him, —a most important factor in amicitia. Now, in 21 AD, under Tiberius, the princeps was again sponsoring a new successor of his own blood, just as Augustus had in 7 BC.
    Tiberius, with close attention to an Augustan precedent, selected this great Augustan anniversary to authorize Roman colonies in Africa to honor his friends who were governors of that province. This honor took the form of a record of their permissus, and in the first instance, of portrayal. Moreover, it may well have been as a result of a similar authorization that the peregrine cities of Asia—the only other consular senatorial province—began a little earlier to record too their proconsuls who were all amici principis. The coins of these Asian cities were of course Greek. Indeed, outside Africa, only one Tiberian governor has a permissus recorded on a Latin coinage. This was another consular, Q. Caecilius Metellus Creticus Silanus, legatus Augusti propraetore in Syria, — yet again an amicus principis.
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    @Marsyas Mike and @Justin Lee, Here is mine I got from @Valentinian

    When I got it from Warren, I had just read in Kenneth Harl’s book on Coinage in the Roman economy about worn, underweight bronzes being Re tarriffed for local change to break silver coinage.

    Augustus As four countermarks 25-23 mm 9.8g TICA AVG probably for Tiberius Augustus CE14-37 Dolphin
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  9. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Here's a raw bronze of Tiberius which was struck at Antioch mint.

    GrkLetr O        Tiber.jpg GrkLetter R     ANT.jpg
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  10. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Well-Known Member

    To distinguish which attribution is correct: If the "G" in "AVGVSTVS" has a tail, it is from Antioch (RPC I 4100). But if the "G" does not have a tail, it is not from Syria (RPC I 2235). This info is per Richard McAlee's excellent reference on Antiochene coinage, page 116.

    Here is my Antioch, RPC I 4100 (AKA: McAlee 190):

    And here is a close up of the tailed G:
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  11. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Well-Known Member

    Here is my tetradrachm issued in Antioch under Tiberius which portrays both he and his predecessor. This type is sometimes confused with a very similar type produced in Alexandria.

    Details pertaining to my example:
    McAlee 211; RPC I 4161; Prieur 60.
    26 mm., 15.16 gr., 12h.
    Slight obverse die shift.
  12. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing Supporter

    Very interesting! I didn't know that, as I have Butcher's book and not McAlee's... Yet... It's on top of my "references-to-get" list. Thank you for sharing!

    That's a beautiful coin! And a welcome addition to the thread!
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  13. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    Shucks... it's going to be a little while before I can participate...but looking forward to seeing everyone's coins and the bits of knowledge like @philologus_1 just dropped.
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  14. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing Supporter

    -- Caligula -------------------------
    [​IMG] And on to Caligula, who ruled from 37 AD to 41AD.

    Just weeks into his reign on April 9 in 37 AD, there was an earthquake, this time "destroying" Antioch (and suburb Daphne). Gaius/Caligula was said to have given a great deal of money to the city and its surviving inhabitants.

    "In this early part of his reign Caligula had at his disposal the considerable sums left in the treasury by Tiberius, and the assistance which he provided for the city must have been substantial.

    Three officials were sent from Rome to carry out the work of restoration: Salvianus, who had the title of legate, and two senators named Lurius Varius and Pntius. All three made gifts to the city from their own funds, building public baths and a Trinymphon" (a large public bath with 3 porticos) "adorned with statues, to be used for weddings (Downey, 2015)."
    G. Downey. (2015). A history of antioch in syria: From seleucus to the arab conquest. Princeton Legacy Library.


    Caligula didn't strike and bronze issues and I don't have any silver coins of his. He did countermark bronze coins of prior rulers, but I don't have any of those either. So I'm interested to see if anyone in the CT community has any Caligula Antiochene coinage?
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  15. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    Justin, Richard McAlee lists only 8 different tetradrachm types for Caligula, & they range from Rare to Extremely Rare. The last example listed by wildwinds.com is pictured below. It sold at CNG Auction 69, lot 1197, June 8, 2005, for $1150.00. The coin pictures Caligula on the obverse & Agrippina Senior on the reverse, it's dated Year 1 (AD 37-38), 14.03 gm, 12h. They graded the coin "Good VF, rough surfaces".
  16. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    Justin, It looks like the well went dry for coins of Caligula :meh:. I'm going to continue your thread with the succeeding emperor Claudius, AD 41-54. The coin pictured below is an AE as, 25 mm, 18.43 gm, that I bought at auction from the Richard McAlee collection. It is pictured in his book The Coins of Roman Antioch, page 132, #250(c)/1.

    Claudius, AD 41-54, MA 250c-1, As 25 mm, 18.45 gm (3).jpg
  17. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Tribunicia Potestas

    I'm still waiting for the time of Domitian so I can show my left-facing example of that dude.
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  18. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing Supporter

    Thank you, Al! I was camping last weekend with very little access to internet, and so far this week I'm focused on having to write a paper for a course I'm taking besides work. So I appreciate it!
    Here are my three Claudius Antiochene coins:

    Claudius, Ruled 41-54 AD
    AE18, Syria, Antioch Mint
    : IM•TI•CLA[• CAE]-AV•GER, laureate head right.
    Reverse: Large S-C within inner solid boarder, laurel wreath surround, fastened with star at top.
    Reference: RPC 4280; Wruck 26
    Size: 18mm, 7.80g

    Claudius, Ruled 41-54 AD
    AE25, Syria, Antioch Mint
    : IM•[TI•CLA•CAE]-AV•GER, laureate head right.
    Reverse: Large S-C within inner solid boarder, laurel wreath surround, fastened with star at top.
    Reference: RPC 4279 var (star), McAlee 250a var (star)
    Size: 25mm, 13.9g

    Claudius, Ruled 41-54 AD
    AE25, Syria, Antioch Mint
    : [IM•TI•CLA•CAE-AV•GER], laureate head right; countermark of Athena/Minerva standing right, holding spear and shield, in rectangular punch (Howgego 245). Believed to be c\m'd in reign of Domitian due to his love of Minerva.
    Reverse: Large S-C within inner solid boarder, laurel wreath surround, fastened with pellet at top.
    Reference: RPC 4279, McAlee 250a
    Size: 25mm, 14.1g
  19. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing Supporter

    I appreciate your patience, ACH! I'm looking forward to seeing it!
  20. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    Here's mine from Antioch too.

    Clauds I O                Antioch.jpg Claudius I R             43 AD.jpg
  21. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    The countermark on the 4th coin makes it a nice score, great patina too :D.
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