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<p>[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 3165743, member: 83845"]Hello everyone and welcome to Round 2 of the 2018 CoinTalk Imperator Tournament! If you are unaware of the tournament I invite you to get caught up with all the fun in the master thread;</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-it%E2%80%99s-time-the-second-annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-it%E2%80%99s-time-the-second-annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an...annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]813664[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>A big thank you to all of our participants. Without further ado…</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">............................................................</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="7"><span style="color: #808080"><u><b>#4 [USER=75563]@ancientcoinguru[/USER] </b></u></span></font></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]813671[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="3"><b>KINGS of THRACE</b>. <b>Rhoemetalkes I</b></font></p><p><font size="3">11 BC-12 AD</font></p><p><font size="3">Minted in Thrace</font></p><p><font size="3">AE25 – 12.72 grams</font></p><p><font size="3">Obv: BΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΡΟΙΜΕΤΑΛΚΟΥ, Jugate busts of <i>Rhoemetalkes I </i>and his Queen <i>Pythodoris </i>right.</font></p><p><font size="3">Rev: ΚΑΙΣΑΡΟΣ ΣΕΒΑΣΤΟΥ, Jugate busts of <i>Augustus </i>and <i>Livia </i>right, before Capricorn holding globe</font></p><p><font size="3">Reference: SGIC 5397, RPC I 1708, Youroukova 185.</font></p><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Price:</u> </b>$235</p><p><br /></p><p><u><b>Why it’s Cool</b>:</u></p><p>Ancient coins are fascinating, and I suspect all of us have more than one theme that captures our interest. A primary collecting focus for me is coins issued by, or showing a portrait of, historical women. I also collect portrait coins and jugate busts, both topics I find intriguing. This coin from the client kingdom of Thrace has it all! Two ancient women on one coin. A total of 4 historical portraits. Not one, but 2 jugate busts of 2 historical ruling couples. And to top it off, that is such a cool Capricorn on the reverse! Holding a globe, no less <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. All on a bronze with a beautiful green patina. I was blown away when I saw this coin, and just had to have it.</p><p><br /></p><p><u>Bargain:</u> This coin was originally sold by CNG in 2003 for $90 plus fees, and again in 2004 for $131 plus fees. Ignoring the EF coin sold in their printed auction in 2014 for $850, CNG has sold only 1 other of these coins, a near VF in 2012 for $170 plus fees. I felt the price I paid was very good, considering the condition and scarcity of the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p><u>History:</u> Rhoemetalkes I was son of Kotys and Sapaean. He had a long political career, including guardianship of the children of Kotys III. Rhoemetalkes was made ruler of the Kingdom of Thrace in 11 BC by Augustus. Tacitus, a Roman historian, described Rhoematalkes I as “attractive and civilized.” As King of Thrace, he governed the country well for almost a quarter of a century until his death in AD 12. Throughout his reign, Rhoemetalkes remained a loyal ally of the Romans.</p><p><br /></p><p>Queen Pythodoris I was his wife, and the mother of his heir. Very little is known about her, except for her portrait on coins such as mine.</p><p><br /></p><p>On the reverse of my coin is a jugate bust of Augustus and Livia. Since you all know who Augustus and Livia were, I will spare you the historical background. But will mention that several Augustan coins featured a Capricorn, a mythical animal with the forepart of a goat and the tail of a fish. I can only guess that this coin was a tribute to Augustus, and the Capricorn was used to show that “he’s got the whole world in his hands”.</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">............................................................</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="7"><span style="color: #808080"><u><b>#13 [USER=17567]@frankjg[/USER] </b></u></span></font></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]813670[/ATTACH]</p><p><font size="3"><b>Attribution:</b></font></p><p><font size="3">Kingdom of Naples and Sicily</font></p><p><font size="3">Charles I of Anjou</font></p><p><font size="3">1266-1285</font></p><p><font size="3">Billon Denaro, Brindisi Mint</font></p><p><font size="3">0.547g, 16mm</font></p><p><font size="3">OBV: +DEI GRA REX (dot) SICIL (dot), KAR (AR ligate), (omega) above</font></p><p><font size="3">REV: DVC APVL ' ET PRIC CAP, Cross pattee, the horizontal beam a heraldic label with four pendants, a lis in each lower quarter</font></p><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Price:</u></b> $45</p><p><br /></p><p><b><u>Why it's Cool:</u></b></p><p>This coin was struck for Charles I of Anjou during a time of significant changes within the Kingdom of Naples and Sicily. Charles I was forced out of Sicily during the Sicilian Vespers, which was one of the bloodiest and swiftest uprisings in history. The Sicilian population was fed up with the treatment they had been receiving from Charles' bureaucrats and decided to rise up and overthrow the French on Easter Monday, March 30th, 1282. By the end of April, Sicily was firmly in control of the rebels and Peter III of Aragon was invited by the rebels to become King of Sicily.</p><p><br /></p><p>From Wiki:</p><p><br /></p><p>"To the sound of the bells messengers ran through the city calling on the men of Palermo to rise against the oppressor. At once the streets were filled with angry armed men, crying "Death to the French" ("<i>moranu li Francisi</i>" in Sicilian language). Every Frenchman they met was struck down. They poured into the inns frequented by the French and the houses where they dwelt, sparing neither man, woman nor child. Sicilian girls who had married Frenchmen perished with their husbands. The rioters broke into the Dominican and Franciscan convents; and all the foreign friars were dragged out and told to pronounce the word "ciciri", whose sound the French tongue could never accurately reproduce. Anyone who failed the test was slain… By the next morning some two thousand French men and women lay dead; and the rebels were in complete control of the city.[<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Vespers_-_cite_note-Runciman,_p._115-9" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Vespers_-_cite_note-Runciman,_p._115-9" rel="nofollow">9</a>]"</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">............................................................</p><p><br /></p><p><b><u><font size="5"><span style="color: #808080">A Gentle Reminder</span></font></u></b></p><p>Round 1 went about as well as anyone could have hoped from the perspective of keeping the commentary fun, interesting and friendly. It would be a challenge to run a tournament of this type on almost any other board but with the great people here on CT it has been both an honor and a pleasure. Lets try to keep up with the perfect score in the friendliness department by concentrating comments on why you liked an entry instead of why you didn't like the other.</p><p><br /></p><p>Remember that everyone gets 3 votes to choose which coin you think comes out on top in each of the three categories. With that I will open the thread for comments, opinions, coin pile-ons and random posting of coin things as you see fit.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 3165743, member: 83845"]Hello everyone and welcome to Round 2 of the 2018 CoinTalk Imperator Tournament! If you are unaware of the tournament I invite you to get caught up with all the fun in the master thread; [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancients-it%E2%80%99s-time-the-second-annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/']https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an...annual-coin-imperator-tournament-2018.320328/[/URL] [ATTACH=full]813664[/ATTACH] A big thank you to all of our participants. Without further ado… [CENTER]............................................................[/CENTER] [SIZE=7][COLOR=#808080][U][B]#4 [USER=75563]@ancientcoinguru[/USER] [/B][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE] [ATTACH=full]813671[/ATTACH] [SIZE=3][B]KINGS of THRACE[/B]. [B]Rhoemetalkes I[/B] 11 BC-12 AD Minted in Thrace AE25 – 12.72 grams Obv: BΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΡΟΙΜΕΤΑΛΚΟΥ, Jugate busts of [I]Rhoemetalkes I [/I]and his Queen [I]Pythodoris [/I]right. Rev: ΚΑΙΣΑΡΟΣ ΣΕΒΑΣΤΟΥ, Jugate busts of [I]Augustus [/I]and [I]Livia [/I]right, before Capricorn holding globe Reference: SGIC 5397, RPC I 1708, Youroukova 185.[/SIZE] [B][U]Price:[/U] [/B]$235 [U][B]Why it’s Cool[/B]:[/U] Ancient coins are fascinating, and I suspect all of us have more than one theme that captures our interest. A primary collecting focus for me is coins issued by, or showing a portrait of, historical women. I also collect portrait coins and jugate busts, both topics I find intriguing. This coin from the client kingdom of Thrace has it all! Two ancient women on one coin. A total of 4 historical portraits. Not one, but 2 jugate busts of 2 historical ruling couples. And to top it off, that is such a cool Capricorn on the reverse! Holding a globe, no less :). All on a bronze with a beautiful green patina. I was blown away when I saw this coin, and just had to have it. [U]Bargain:[/U] This coin was originally sold by CNG in 2003 for $90 plus fees, and again in 2004 for $131 plus fees. Ignoring the EF coin sold in their printed auction in 2014 for $850, CNG has sold only 1 other of these coins, a near VF in 2012 for $170 plus fees. I felt the price I paid was very good, considering the condition and scarcity of the coin. [U]History:[/U] Rhoemetalkes I was son of Kotys and Sapaean. He had a long political career, including guardianship of the children of Kotys III. Rhoemetalkes was made ruler of the Kingdom of Thrace in 11 BC by Augustus. Tacitus, a Roman historian, described Rhoematalkes I as “attractive and civilized.” As King of Thrace, he governed the country well for almost a quarter of a century until his death in AD 12. Throughout his reign, Rhoemetalkes remained a loyal ally of the Romans. Queen Pythodoris I was his wife, and the mother of his heir. Very little is known about her, except for her portrait on coins such as mine. On the reverse of my coin is a jugate bust of Augustus and Livia. Since you all know who Augustus and Livia were, I will spare you the historical background. But will mention that several Augustan coins featured a Capricorn, a mythical animal with the forepart of a goat and the tail of a fish. I can only guess that this coin was a tribute to Augustus, and the Capricorn was used to show that “he’s got the whole world in his hands”. [CENTER]............................................................[/CENTER] [SIZE=7][COLOR=#808080][U][B]#13 [USER=17567]@frankjg[/USER] [/B][/U][/COLOR][/SIZE] [ATTACH=full]813670[/ATTACH] [SIZE=3][B]Attribution:[/B] Kingdom of Naples and Sicily Charles I of Anjou 1266-1285 Billon Denaro, Brindisi Mint 0.547g, 16mm OBV: +DEI GRA REX (dot) SICIL (dot), KAR (AR ligate), (omega) above REV: DVC APVL ' ET PRIC CAP, Cross pattee, the horizontal beam a heraldic label with four pendants, a lis in each lower quarter[/SIZE] [B][U]Price:[/U][/B] $45 [B][U]Why it's Cool:[/U][/B] This coin was struck for Charles I of Anjou during a time of significant changes within the Kingdom of Naples and Sicily. Charles I was forced out of Sicily during the Sicilian Vespers, which was one of the bloodiest and swiftest uprisings in history. The Sicilian population was fed up with the treatment they had been receiving from Charles' bureaucrats and decided to rise up and overthrow the French on Easter Monday, March 30th, 1282. By the end of April, Sicily was firmly in control of the rebels and Peter III of Aragon was invited by the rebels to become King of Sicily. From Wiki: "To the sound of the bells messengers ran through the city calling on the men of Palermo to rise against the oppressor. At once the streets were filled with angry armed men, crying "Death to the French" ("[I]moranu li Francisi[/I]" in Sicilian language). Every Frenchman they met was struck down. They poured into the inns frequented by the French and the houses where they dwelt, sparing neither man, woman nor child. Sicilian girls who had married Frenchmen perished with their husbands. The rioters broke into the Dominican and Franciscan convents; and all the foreign friars were dragged out and told to pronounce the word "ciciri", whose sound the French tongue could never accurately reproduce. Anyone who failed the test was slain… By the next morning some two thousand French men and women lay dead; and the rebels were in complete control of the city.[[URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Vespers_-_cite_note-Runciman,_p._115-9']9[/URL]]" [CENTER]............................................................[/CENTER] [B][U][SIZE=5][COLOR=#808080]A Gentle Reminder[/COLOR][/SIZE][/U][/B] Round 1 went about as well as anyone could have hoped from the perspective of keeping the commentary fun, interesting and friendly. It would be a challenge to run a tournament of this type on almost any other board but with the great people here on CT it has been both an honor and a pleasure. Lets try to keep up with the perfect score in the friendliness department by concentrating comments on why you liked an entry instead of why you didn't like the other. Remember that everyone gets 3 votes to choose which coin you think comes out on top in each of the three categories. With that I will open the thread for comments, opinions, coin pile-ons and random posting of coin things as you see fit.[/QUOTE]
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