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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Michael K, post: 2805754, member: 78298&quot;]Without a return (interest or dividends) you really need good timing and a good spike to make money on a PM investment. Industrial need is minor.</p><p>Good companies that pay a dividend (stocks). You get value several ways. The stock price can go up over time. The stock can split, which does not increase the value, but then if it continues to go up, it increases the value exponentially. You get a steady stream of income from the dividends, which over time pays for the entire stock purchase, and you still own the shares.</p><p>They often raise the dividend. A nickel here and there, and over time it adds up.</p><p>I am heavily invested in the stock market and only a very tiny fraction is in PM&#039;s.</p><p>You can&#039;t really do anything with PM&#039;s except buy and sell them. While the stock is a tangible part ownership in a company.</p><p>The reason I am in the stock market, is because the money market has been paying 0% for the last 8-10 years. I was in it for 30 years and very happy with my no risk return. But then I had to look for something that would pay me dividends on my money. As for the &quot;big boys&quot; it is more of a factor of investment banking doing computer trading. And that will drive the market. But the biggest factors are not earnings and fundamentals anymore. It is news (rumors), and fear and panic.</p><p>There isn&#039;t an inverse relationship from PM&#039;s and stocks because if that were true whenever the market was up, PMs would be down, and vice versa, and there are plenty of times when the market is up and PMs are up, or when the market is down and PM&#039;s are down.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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