Plate coin added

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  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    So, while this is not a Flavian nor a 12 Caesars coin, it is outside of my usual focus. However, I buy what I like and I liked this coin very much. I have not attributed the coin yet, but this is fun for me so it can wait a few hours or so.

    On the surface it looks like a fairly standard London mint coin and it is. However this coin was a plate coin for...


    On his site Lee is selling a few plate coins from this volume. He is excellent to deal with. The picture below is used with his permission.

    Anyway, I am very happy to add another plate coin to my collection. I thought the reverse was quite interesting and well done.

    Please post your plate coins.

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  3. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    Excellent addition

    I like plate coins. I have two plate coins for the reference book about Dombes coinage, which is not what people here want to see. Much more of interest are my Domitius Domitianus octadrachm, which is an Emmett plate coin (cheers to coinfriend @TIF who loves it ;) ) and a Constantius II light miliarense which happens to be a Ferrando plate coin

    Domitius Domitianus, Octadrachm, Emmett plate coin - Alexandria mint, AD 296-297
    ΔOMITI-ANOC CEB, Radiate bust of Domitius right
    No legend, Serapis going right, LB in field (regnal year 2)
    12.79 gr
    Ref : Emmett, Alexandrian coins #4241/2, this example illustrated, Dattari # 10830, RCV # 12982 (2000), Sear # 4801 var (It's actually an hexadrachm in Sear)
    Domitius Domitianus, stationed in Egypt, rebelled against Diocletianus in july 296 AD and was proclaimed emperor. He was defeated during spring 297 AD. Diocletian decided to close the alexandrian mint, so the coins of Domitianus are the last provincial coins from Alexandria. Also, Domitianus was the only ruler to strike octadrachms (in parallel with didrachms, tetradrachms and hexadrachms)

    For more information, see, in english : Domitianus

    Also, the following comment, about another specimen sold at CNG (Triton XI, Lot # 539) "For the most part, scholars agree that the larger coins featuring the radiate bust must be a double, and thereby call it an octodrachm. At half the weight, then, the smallest coins with the Nike on the reverse must be tetradrachms, though these coins have erroneously been called heretofore didrachms. The weights of these tetradrachms appear consistent with the final issues of pre-reform tetradrachms of the Tetrarchs. The middle denomination poses the largest challenge to this arrangement. By weight, it should be a hexadrachm. However, no such denomination was known to have been struck in Egypt, though tetradrachms earlier in the third century achieved this weight. The obvious problem here would be the confusion caused in circulating the same denomination in two different weights. As this type is the rarest of the group, it is possible that it was meant for a special occasion, or more remotely, a stalled attempt to reinstitute the pre-reform coinage on an earlier weight standard. Further investigation may shed more light on this subject.

    Constantius II, Light miliarense, Ferrando II plate coin - Arles mint (Arelate), 3d officina
    DN CONSTAN TIVS PF AVG, Diademed, draped and cuirassed bust of Constantius right
    VIRTVS EXERCITVS, Constantius (soldier) facing holding spear and shield. TCON at exergue
    4,54 gr ; 22,6 mm
    Ref : RIC VII # 252, Ferrando II # 1026 (this coin), Cohen #326, RC #3993v

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  4. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Actually, I would enjoy seeing them...
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  5. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Super congrats, @Orfew ! Always good to be out of focus ! :)

    One of my plate coins... discovered after I captured it.

    -Acheloios -
    275-250 BCE
    SNG ANS 474 -
    Potamikon 343 (This Coin)
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  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter I dig ancient coins...

    Great @Orfew - and superb coin of Domitianus @Cucumbor ! In Egypt a German team is excavating a legionary fortress constructed by Diocletian in Luxor (in fact it is adjacent to Luxor temple) which I witnessed on my last trip to Egypt. It is speculated that the fortress was needed to complete the mopping up of rebels associated with Domitianus and Achilleus, as well as a base for campaigns against the Blemmeyes to the south.
  7. TIF

    TIF Always learning. Supporter

    Congrats, Orfew! I know pedigree and appearances don't matter to many but I am usually willing to pay a premium for such things and enjoy that bit of added modern history :).

    I do indeed love love love that coin!!

    I have bunches but will refrain from the Dattari parade although I will include a couple of Alexandrians.

    Here's something from @Nicholas Molinari's Potamikon. Even though it's silver and the first volume covers bronze, it's in there... because it's such an awesome little coin, surely :D.

    SICILY, Selinos
    Circa 410 BCE
    AR litra, 11mm, 0.76 g, 1h
    Obv: nymph seated left on rock, right hand raised above her head, extending her left hand to touch coiled serpent before her; selinon leaf above
    Rev: man-faced bull standing right; ΣEΛINONTIOΣ above; in exergue, fish right
    Ref: Potamikon, p. 116 figure 152 (this coin); HGC 2, 1229; SNG ANS 711–2 var. (ethnic); SNG Ashmolean 1904–5; SNG Lloyd 1270 var. (same); Basel –; Dewing –; Rizzo pl. XXXIII, 6. Good VF, dark iridescent tone, some porosity. Rare.
    ex MoneyMuseum, Zurich;
    ex Leu 79 (31 October 2000), lot 404;
    ex Athos Moretti collection, #482, unpublished manuscript

    EGYPT, Alexandria. Domitian. Regnal year 10, CE 90/91. Æ diobol (25mm, 10.86 g, 12h). AVT KAICAP ΔΟ ΜΙΤ CEB ΓΕΡΜ, laureate head right / Agathodaemon serpent, wearing the skhent crown (emblematic of upper and lower Egypt), on horseback galloping left; L I (date) below. Köln –; Dattari (Savio) –; K&G 24.109; RPC II 2585; SNG Copenhagen 214; Emmett 277.10 (R5).

    Ex Giovanni Maria Staffieri Collection. Ex West Coast/Lloyd Beauchaine Collection (Classical Numismatic Group 41, 19 March 1997), lot 1110; Classical Numismatic Review Vol. XVI, No. 1 (January 1991), lot 316; Numismatic Fine Arts Fall Mail Bid Sale (18 October 1990), lot 2365.

    Appearances: Staffieri, Alexandria In Nummis 39 (this coin). Obverse illustrated in Emmett as the header for the Domitian section, p. 24 (this coin); fully illustrated in Emmett, p. 26 (this coin, discussing the unusual reverse).

    EGYPT, Alexandria. Marcus Aurelius
    AE diobol, 22.8 mm, 8.33 gm
    RY 17 (176/7 CE)
    Obv: MAVPHΛIOCANTωNINOC; laureate head right
    Rev: right foot and ankle (of a statue of Serapis?), pointing right; draped bust right of Serapis above, wearing kalathos; LI[Z] in right field
    Ref: Dattari (Savio) 3516; Emmett 2254.17 (this coin illustrated, p. 96); K&G 37.411 (this coin illustrated). Extremely rare. None in CoinArchives.
    Ex WRG Collection
    Ex Kerry K. Wetterstrom Collection (Part II, Classical Numismatic Auctions XIII, 4 December 1990), lot 130.
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  8. Carl Wilmont

    Carl Wilmont Supporter! Supporter

    Here's the plate coin for Hendin 1430 in his Guide to BIBLICAL COINS:

    Bar Kokhba Zuz.png
    Judaea, Bar Kokhba Revolt. Silver Zuz (3.25 g), 132-135 AD. Undated, attributed to year 3 (134/5 AD). 'Simon' (Paleo-Hebrew), bunch of grapes with leaf and tendril. / 'For the freedom of Jerusalem' (Paleo-Hebrew), upright palm branch. Hendin 1430; David Hendin Guide to BIBLICAL COINS, Fifth Edition, plate 40, (this coin illus.); Mildenberg 150 (O11/R103), 7 cited, this being #5. Portions of the undertype legend visible on obverse from the obverse of a Drachm, probably of Trajan and probably of Caesaria. The letters AYTOK can be discerned, these being part of the title AYTOKRATΩR - autocrat, dictator, tyrant, despot. Ex David Hendin Collection.
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  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    Mon ami, veuillez nous montrer ces merveilleuses pièces.
  10. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    Thanks @TIF for the kind words. You and I are in agreement on this. I really like having the story of the coin. For me the provenance of the coin including the publishing history and the names of previous owners is definitely worth a bit more tacked on to the price tag. As someone remarked to me not long ago "You will remember the quality long after the price is forgotten". In this case we can amend that to state: You will remember the story long after the price is forgotten. I personally feel very fortunate to have in my temporary possession coins that were owned by giants such as Dattari or published in books by those who have made so many important contributions to the study of these objects we love.

    I am reminded of a paper I published many years ago. In it I discussed the changing nature of the word amateur from Victorian days until the present. I always find it helpful to remember that the Latin root of amateur means to love. In this I will always be a dedicated amateur.
  11. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    Wow, that is just superb! What an incredible coin. the history is just dripping from that one.
  12. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Gela, Sicily; CIrca 480/475-475/470 B.C. AR Tetradrachm (25mm; 17.23 gm; 12h). Obv: charioteer driving walking quadriga right, holding kentron and reins; Nike flying right above, crowning horses. Rev: Forepart of man-headed bull right. Jenkins, Gela 113.3 (O34/R66 - this coin); SNG ANS 24/25 (obverse die of 25, reverse die of 24). Toned. Good VF, old scratches on obverse in exergue. CNG Sale 64, 24 September 2003, lot #46 (est: $3000, sold for $2500 + buyer’s fee) This coin. Toned. Excellent provenance: Ex Leu 36 (7-8 May 1985), lot 41; Münzen und Medaillen 53 (29 Nov 1977), lot 18; Barrachin collection (Florange & Ciani, December 1924), lot 164; De Ciccio collection (Sambon-Canessa, December 1907), lot 144.
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  13. Carl Wilmont

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  14. thejewk

    thejewk Well-Known Member

    Nice addition Orfew, I don't yet have any of the PLN issues with a * in the left field.
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  15. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist Supporter

    My only plate coin:
    Med-15-Boh-1198-Přemysl Ottokar I-D-B-22-6.jpg Bohemia
    Přemysl Ottokar I, r. 1192-3, 1197-1230 (1198-1230)
    AR Denar, 18.70 mm x 1.1 grams
    Obv.: + VSCES[…]VM. Winged figure/angel r. holding lance fighting a dragon
    Rev.: +SCS NSN. Bust of Ottokar facing with raised hands between two towers of a stylized building
    Ref.: Frynas B.22.6 (This coin depicted), De Wit 2764 (this coin), Lanz Graz XIII, 465 (this Coin), (Cach 659, Šmerda 296)
    Ex. Richard A. Jourdan Collection, Ex. Prof. G.W. De Wit Collection, Ex. Marquis von Hohenkubin Collection
    Note: Issued as King of Bohemia, beginning the hereditary line of Bohemian kings

    I wrote its story (as best I can tell) here
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  16. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Dombes collector Supporter

    OK, you asked

    Avec plaisir !

    Hope you're not disapointed, they are far less dramatic than the two others, but what the heck, they belong in here, they're plate coins afterall :)

    Henri II de Montpensier (1592-1608) - douzain 1594
    Atelier de Trevoux
    + HENRIC . P . DOMBAR . D . MONTISP . M, Ecu de Bourbon couronné, cantonné de deux H
    + DNS . ADIVT : ET . REDEM . MEVS . 1594, Croix echancrée cantonnée de couronnes
    2.03 gr
    Ref : Divo Dombes # 99 (cet exemplaire illustré), Boudeau # 1070, Mantellier # 40

    Marie de Montpensier (1608-1627) - denier tournois, 1624
    Atelier de Trévoux
    + MARIE . SOVVE . DE . DOMBES Buste à gauche avec large collerette et collier de perles
    + DENIER . TOVRNOIS . 1624 Deux lis et un M, une brisure au centre.
    1.32 gr
    Ref : Divo Dombes # 161 (cet exemplaire illustré), CGKL # 730 (b4), Boudeau # 1075, Mantellier # 56

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  17. Broucheion

    Broucheion Supporter! Supporter

    Hi All,

    I do a few plate coins, but here is one not yet posted before.


    This coin pictured on page 66 of RA Hazzard's "Handbook of Ptolemaic Coins" (First Edition, 1995).

    early stages of Third Syrian War

    Weight: 14.25 g
    Axis: 0

    OBV: Ptolemy I head facing right, wearing diadem and scaly aegis tied by snakes. Dotted border.
    REV: Εagle on thunderbolt facing left, wings closed. In left field a large single cornucopia twisting to left. To left: ΠΤΟΛΕΜΑΙΟΥ; to right ΣΩΤΗΡΟΣ. Dotted

    Refs: LORBER: CPE-0732; Sv-1001, pl xxx, 9-11 [19 listed]; SNG Copenhagen 167-168 (COP-167, same obv die); Sear-7806; BMC 06.054, #083

    PEDIGREE: EH 96 The Iraq Al-Amir Hoard, 1993 (CH 9.497, 10.268), #72C. Same dies as #71. See ANS 1935.117.1092 (same dies); COP-167, same obv die. Same obv die as P-2020-06-21.001.

    From Lorber (CPE): "An unpublished die study of the Alexandrian cornucopiae tetradrachms by V. van Driessche identified only ten obverse dies, implying a compact emission surely struck in connection with the Third Syrian War. Possibly the entire issue can be associated with the early stages of the war."

    - Broucheion
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  18. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus Supporter

    What a great coin. Thanks for posting it here.
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  19. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    Nice addition, Orfew.

    I have a plate coin that arrived recently, published twice, once in SNG Stancomb, and again by Stancomb in his 2009 Numismatic Chronicle article, The Autonomous Bronze Coinage of Heraclea Pontica. I already had this type in my collection, but this example had the bonus of having a countermark on the obverse, and I thought the idea of a young Herakles countermarked on the bust of an old Herakles was pretty neat.

    BITHYNIA Herakleia Pontika - AE19 Herakles CM ex Stancomb 4008 new.JPG BITHYNIA, Herakleia Pontika
    AE19. 4.63g, 19.5mm. BITHYNIA, Herakleia Pontika, circa 235-175 BC. SNG Stancomb 827 = Stancomb, Autonomous p. 21, 7a A4/P10, pl. 3, 35 (this coin); SNG BM Black Sea 1631; HGC 7, 489. O: Bearded head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin headdress; c/m: head of young Herakles right. R: ΗΡΑΚΛΕΩ-TAN, lion prancing right; boukranion between forelegs, monogram above, club below.
    Ex William Stancomb Collection

    Here's another coin I have that also has been published twice.

    Tarentum - Nomos Vlasto 2073 new.jpg
    CALABRIA, Tarentum
    AR Stater. 7.97g, 21.4mm. CALABRIA, Tarentum, circa 400-390 BC. Vlasto 339 = Fischer-Bossert Group 26, 361a (V164/R283) (this coin, illustrated in both); HN Italy 850. O: Naked ephebos on horse galloping right; small Λ below. R: Phalanthos, holding torch, riding dolphin left; TAPAΣ below.
    Ex William N. Rudman Collection (Triton V, 15 January 2002), lot 1043; ex CNG Auction 53 (15 March 2000), lot 31; ex Vlasto Collection, 339 (Michel Pandely Vlasto, 1874-1936)
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  20. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Supporter! Supporter

    I've got quite a few plate coins :D. Posted below are just a few.

    Philip I, Tet, c. AD 246 (2).jpg
    Prieur 383, McAlee 1096.jpg
    McAlee 1044a.jpg
    Ant. Pius, AD 138-9, 26 mm, 12.47 gm, MA 555i, this coin.jpg
    Antioch - Syria, Antoninus Pius, struck AD 138-9, AE 26 mm, 12.47 gm, 12 h, McAlee 555i (this coin).

    IMG_1694.jpg Hadrian, Alexandria, Egypt.jpg

    Sear 12821.jpg

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  21. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Lindgren plate coin:

    Annia Faustina Isinda.jpg Annia Faustina Lindgren listing.jpg Annia Faustina Lindgren plate small.jpg
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