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<p>[QUOTE="OldGoldGuy, post: 2039675, member: 72697"]Never said a thing about intentional deception. More along the lines of competency. If you bought a used car from someone and found out that the (blank, insert random car part) was being held together by duct tape, one would probably be a little peeved. The fact that the used car salesman had to honor the lemon law doesn't make him a good used car salesman. The truth, and I am confused as to why you feel you need to defend this gentleman against an argument I am not even making, is that these gold pieces scream fake, and that is to an untrained sovereign buying eye (mine).</p><p><br /></p><p>My point, however misinterpreted it has become to this point, is that the dealer did not catch a fake he was selling. Honoring a return isn't going above and beyond; it is actually required by the payment method accepted. Bare minimum. Look at it from the buyers perspective, who I personally think is being too nice; he has lost time now, and a gift idea for his child is most likely ruined due to timing, and at the least, is now stressed to make it by the holiday.</p><p><br /></p><p>To date, I have purchased one fake coin. It was a SLQ that was in a roll of silver quarters I purchased as part of a collection, which I did not find until I opened the rolls roughly a week later. I immediately threw it into my "to be melted down" pile as it tested positive for silver. I am by no means a SLQ expert. But the mushy details, strange fields, chunky date, etc, all screamed "fake". I do not consider myself to be a dealer as I secure my income from my businesses in other industries, however, I feel I did the hobby a "solid" by removing the coin from inexperienced hands in the future. So, with that in mind, myself, by no means a "dealer", caught a fake, and removed it from circulation. Is it POSSIBLE that I have purchased and resold a fake in my years involved in the coin world? Sure, anything is possible if that is the argument one wants to make. </p><p><br /></p><p>Would I buy from a dealer who owned these gold coins, who must have at one point looked at each coin individually as he "tested" them for gold content? No. And here is why; before I pass my money across the table to purchase something, the ultimate responsibility of knowing what one is buying falls on me. But don't we all want to try and limit the number of occurrences where this could happen? I do. Therefore I would refrain from browsing this dealers inventory. Again, nothing intentional in the deception, simply just a question of his competency. If hearing my argument (and solely my opinion) is going to start a frenzy, I don't know what to tell you. Sure, I am new to the forum and this dealer is, cough, well established, so I guess the value of my opinion plummets in comparison. Meanwhile, my method leaves me less exposed than those that don't see this transaction the same way I do, and that is fine.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="OldGoldGuy, post: 2039675, member: 72697"]Never said a thing about intentional deception. More along the lines of competency. If you bought a used car from someone and found out that the (blank, insert random car part) was being held together by duct tape, one would probably be a little peeved. The fact that the used car salesman had to honor the lemon law doesn't make him a good used car salesman. The truth, and I am confused as to why you feel you need to defend this gentleman against an argument I am not even making, is that these gold pieces scream fake, and that is to an untrained sovereign buying eye (mine). My point, however misinterpreted it has become to this point, is that the dealer did not catch a fake he was selling. Honoring a return isn't going above and beyond; it is actually required by the payment method accepted. Bare minimum. Look at it from the buyers perspective, who I personally think is being too nice; he has lost time now, and a gift idea for his child is most likely ruined due to timing, and at the least, is now stressed to make it by the holiday. To date, I have purchased one fake coin. It was a SLQ that was in a roll of silver quarters I purchased as part of a collection, which I did not find until I opened the rolls roughly a week later. I immediately threw it into my "to be melted down" pile as it tested positive for silver. I am by no means a SLQ expert. But the mushy details, strange fields, chunky date, etc, all screamed "fake". I do not consider myself to be a dealer as I secure my income from my businesses in other industries, however, I feel I did the hobby a "solid" by removing the coin from inexperienced hands in the future. So, with that in mind, myself, by no means a "dealer", caught a fake, and removed it from circulation. Is it POSSIBLE that I have purchased and resold a fake in my years involved in the coin world? Sure, anything is possible if that is the argument one wants to make. Would I buy from a dealer who owned these gold coins, who must have at one point looked at each coin individually as he "tested" them for gold content? No. And here is why; before I pass my money across the table to purchase something, the ultimate responsibility of knowing what one is buying falls on me. But don't we all want to try and limit the number of occurrences where this could happen? I do. Therefore I would refrain from browsing this dealers inventory. Again, nothing intentional in the deception, simply just a question of his competency. If hearing my argument (and solely my opinion) is going to start a frenzy, I don't know what to tell you. Sure, I am new to the forum and this dealer is, cough, well established, so I guess the value of my opinion plummets in comparison. Meanwhile, my method leaves me less exposed than those that don't see this transaction the same way I do, and that is fine.[/QUOTE]
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