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Message:: [QUOTE="Evom777, post: 1809936, member: 27123"]Always good to come back here and see the debating still going strong regarding this topic of manipulation and investment banks. As for me, I have always looked at this and simply go back to the old saying that "If You`re not cheating, You`re not trying." Ever since Glass-Steagall was repealed this was to be expected......and even that had its loopholes that We seldom hear about. (and yet it was still far more effective than Dodd-Frank, which promised "accountability AND transparency")   I try to be objective when I form opinions in my life, and with that said I would be naïve to think that the big pushers of PMs would not be doing some "shady" things as well. But as far as the banks go, one would have to be really clueless not to see what power they actually have on the global stage. Perfect case in point was Gordon Brown back in 99-02 dumping Britain`s gold. Mr. Brown vehemently denied allegations that it was done to bail out Goldman Sachs, (one can Youtube His interviews) only to find out that it was indeed true. After that, how can one underestimate the power of the "investment" bank on the global stage?[/QUOTE]