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<p>[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 985366, member: 26302"]Just as an aside, regarding Madoff, all of the warning signs were there for whoever wanted to look. His fund shouldn't have been allowed to operate, with no third party custodian, a rinky dink auditor, no correlation of his supposed positions and announced return. Everything that any finance professional has been taught as a red flag was there for everyone to see. Many people did try to get the SEC to listen, and posted warnings to investors of his funds, most either didn't read or refused to listen. He was a good salesman I guess. Never trust ANY financial salesman without knowing that someone besides him has physical control of what he is buying for you. Period.</p><p><br /></p><p>This doesn't mean there are any of those risks in an index mutual fund with separate custodian of the assets. That setup was created to prevent any of this stuff. Doesn't mean you cannot lose money in the market, but you cannot be "Madoff'ed". Your choice is completely up to you, I just wanted to clarify that for others. To me, everyone talking bad about equities is music to my ears, since I am buying and I hope they sell me theirs cheap. It was music to my ears in the early 90's when everyone was talking bad about coins and PM's as well, the more they yelled about how bad they were the more I bought, (what I could back then).</p><p><br /></p><p>Excellent point as well Cloud. If someone doesn't understand a market, and does not want to learn, then maybe its not for them. I have always said your investment should let you sleep at night, its just with a little education you can sleep while taking some prudent risks, thereby maximizing your potential returns. It really is a very expensive "sleeping pill" getting a 1% max return in a bank or money market.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 985366, member: 26302"]Just as an aside, regarding Madoff, all of the warning signs were there for whoever wanted to look. His fund shouldn't have been allowed to operate, with no third party custodian, a rinky dink auditor, no correlation of his supposed positions and announced return. Everything that any finance professional has been taught as a red flag was there for everyone to see. Many people did try to get the SEC to listen, and posted warnings to investors of his funds, most either didn't read or refused to listen. He was a good salesman I guess. Never trust ANY financial salesman without knowing that someone besides him has physical control of what he is buying for you. Period. This doesn't mean there are any of those risks in an index mutual fund with separate custodian of the assets. That setup was created to prevent any of this stuff. Doesn't mean you cannot lose money in the market, but you cannot be "Madoff'ed". Your choice is completely up to you, I just wanted to clarify that for others. To me, everyone talking bad about equities is music to my ears, since I am buying and I hope they sell me theirs cheap. It was music to my ears in the early 90's when everyone was talking bad about coins and PM's as well, the more they yelled about how bad they were the more I bought, (what I could back then). Excellent point as well Cloud. If someone doesn't understand a market, and does not want to learn, then maybe its not for them. I have always said your investment should let you sleep at night, its just with a little education you can sleep while taking some prudent risks, thereby maximizing your potential returns. It really is a very expensive "sleeping pill" getting a 1% max return in a bank or money market.[/QUOTE]
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