Newcomb Variety Help- Repost

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  1. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

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  3. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Problem is trying to do late dates from photos is very difficult.

    I would say the 35 is NOT N-19.
     
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  4. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    Having tried to determine the Newcomb variety of Braided Hair large cents I've found out that it's DEFINITELY not easy.
    Many of the PUP's in Grellman's book point to features that disappear quickly.
    A large percentage are gone on coins less than AU.

    I'm going to revisit my set at a later date.
    I'm still tied up with my Capped Bust half dime die marriages.
     
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  5. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    The 1835 is pretty mangled. I'm leaning toward N-16, but N-7 or 17 also seem possible.
     
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  6. buckeye73

    buckeye73 Well-Known Member

    John D. Wright (in the previous thread) determined N-7 for the 1835 and N-21 for the 1849. Chances are he is correct. He wrote the The Cent Book 1816-1939. For all it matters, that is my reference book of choice for Middle Date Large Cents. I highly recommend it.

    I agree with John’s attributions.
    Dan
     
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  7. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    I'll go with that, as well. I was using the Noyes middle date book. N-7 and N-16 seemed very close to each other, with just some subtle differences in the digit positions that were bashed out of discernability on the coin.
     
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  8. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    That makes perfect since. Honestly, late date large cents are very difficult to identify even in hand!
     
  9. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    Thank you to all of you. I find each and every one of your comments are interesting. I was actually surprised to see such an expert as John D. Wright to respond to this thread. I think I may need to purchase his and Grellman's books.
     
  10. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    I've got both Wright's and Grellman's books.
    Buying them both will put a crimp in your numismatic budget.
     
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  11. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Not as much as buying an 1835 N-7 misattributed as an N-19 would.
     
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  12. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Only for a while, and when it recovers you will have the references to go after those coppers.
     
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  13. SorenCoins

    SorenCoins Well-Known Member

    How do you like the books? I am sure they are both great references, which justifies the cost.
    Fair point. That knowledge would certainly prove useful.
    That's true, and I would surely love to grow my numismatic knowledge. I think that the ANACS library would have copies of these books, and would probably allow me to visit and read up. I wonder if the ANA library has copies I can view digitally? At least until I purchase my own books!
     
  14. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Not available digitally. The closest thing you'll get to an online attribution guide for the middle dates might be Goldberg's Dan Holmes II collection archive. I keep this linked from my attribution resources page. It's not presented as an attribution guide, but the pictures are quite usable. It's also not complete. There's no 1835 N-19, for example. NGC's VarietyPlus page is also a decent resource.

    Check out the Noyes, Wright, and Grellman books from the ANA library if you're a member (which you should be, given it was free for new members to join back in April). You'll learn a lot and know if you want to pursue buying the books down the road.
     
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  15. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    I use the Grellman book mostly since it was the first of the two that I got.
    They are set up differently so it's not unusual that I'd use the one that I was most used to.
     
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  16. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Noyes has a six volume set. Number 5 and 6 cover 1816 on. I think these are sold as a short set.
     
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  17. John Wright

    John Wright Active Member

    I did not know that ANACS had a lending library. ANA does indeed have a FABULOUS library and I have donated copies of my book to that library as well as giving a gratis copy to every attendee of the ANA Summer Seminar's large cent (Early US Coppers) class for the past several years. My book has also been given to the Newman Numismatic Portal and can be accessed online there. Or you can buy your own.
     
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  18. Insider

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    John Wright, posted: "...ANA does indeed have a FABULOUS library and I have donated copies of my book to that library as well as giving a gratis copy to every attendee of the ANA Summer Seminar's large cent (Early US Coppers) class for the past several years...."

    John, your book is the first one I check to attribute the late dates.;)
     
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  19. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Members pay round-trip book rate postage to use the library.
    Good to know it's on the NNP! I'll add a link to it to my variety attribution resource page tonight.
     
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  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Dan's Middle date collection was only missing one variety, 1825 N-5 because it was sold before the N-5 was rediscovered. Every variety IS there, unfortunately in a few cases the cataloger forgot to mention the variety in the description. The last pictured 1835 in the catalog IS N-19 even though it is not identified as such. You will also see they didn't identify 35 N-1, the first 1835 variety shown.

    His early dates was only missing 1793 NC-5 (Unique in the ANS colection but pictured in the catalog). His late dates also had only one missing, 1851 N-42. Also unique and the collector who owns it was not willing to part with it. (Sometime everyone DOESN'T have his price.)

    Thank you John for mentioning that. I knew it but was reluctant to mention it since I know you still have books to sell.

    True but for the ANA, not the ANACS. I seriously doubt ANACS loans out their library.
     
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  21. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't you know I went right to one that wasn't identified when I was looking. :facepalm:
    Correct. I was assuming ANACS and ANA were being confused/conflated above.
     
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