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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Earle42, post: 2657418, member: 78261&quot;]For all who don;t know - the &quot;NORFED guy&quot; Bernard Van Nauthaus was not sentenced - ever.&nbsp; He has the record for the longest time of conviction in the state of NC without being sentenced.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, its also all over.&nbsp; The FBI under the obama admin admitted what they did was illegal and he was given back (unheard of) all of the actual medals he made plus silver and gold they illegally took from him.</p><p><br /></p><p>The problem was the fed saw the NORFED dollars as a legit threat to their power as his medals (unlike the many, many other private issue currencies that were not raided) were becoming too popular.</p><p><br /></p><p>It was a kangaroo court - download and read the court minutes - where they had to find a way to convict him of something.&nbsp; So they took a pic of a Mercury dime and enlarged it to show with a pic of a NORFED dollar side by side so the jury might see a design similarity - never mentioning the size difference to them.</p><p><br /></p><p>The FBI proceeded to put out scare tatcics about possible confiscation from people having them, told ebay they should stop all auctions of them (never quit but dropped from 2-3 new pages full per day to about 10 total per day), and said it was illegal to spend them.&nbsp; The latter being a total lie according to law.</p><p><br /></p><p>The fed accomplished their goal - they stopped the popularity of using Liberty Dollars - hence their absolute power to create money out of thin air had its main fear eliminated.&nbsp; It was only years later the fed came clean (2015 I think?).&nbsp; It is all online.</p><p><br /></p><p>BTW - not long after the 2007 raid, Bernie sold the exact design rights to another firm that made these medals after specifically changing a few small wording details - not the main OBV design which the illegal court case had focused on. </p><p><br /></p><p>So while Bernie was being illegally pressured by the fed, coins of same design were being made - but the fed-spread fear never let the new ones gain the acceptance.</p><p><br /></p><p>Edited: Political[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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