New Diocletian Abdication Follis

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  1. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Eye of Horus

    After missing out on an excellent example of a Diocletian Abdication follis in a recent auction I decided to see if I could find another one. Voila - I did! And I didn't need to pay $800 for it.

    This type represents Diocletian's hope and dream that each colleague in the tetrarchy would happily step down when the time had come. Diocletian retreated to a custom-built palace at Split where he intended to plant cabbages with his own hands.

    [​IMG]Diocletian's Palace at Split, Croatia


    Unfortunately, Maximian the co-senior tetrarch grumbled in his forced "retirement" and his machinations and lust for power doomed the future of Diocletian's system which he had hoped would endure for the duration of the empire. Maximian managed to grab for the Imperial throne once again and reclaimed his title of Augustus, eventually allying with his son Maxentius who also had become an Augustus. For a brief while, even Constantine, who believed he had been passed over when he was awarded the title of "Filius Augustorum", formed an alliance with the old man.

    Meanwhile, Diocletian watched in horror as Civil War shook the empire. And he, relegated to Split, could only watch and worry as his health declined.

    So, in that historical milieu I submit this coin for your perusal.

    Diocletian (A.D. 284-305) AE Follis

    Weight: 6.90 grams

    Diameter: 23 mm

    Mint: Follis struck at Alexandria (ALE Mintmark) between 308 and 310, after his abdication.

    Obverse: DN DIOCLETIANO BAEATISS, laurel-wreathed bust right wearing mantle, holding olive branch and holding mappa in the other hand.

    Reverse: PROVIDENTIA DEORVM, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies, standing left, holding branch and sceptre.

    Reference: Sear 12922, RIC VI Alexandria 80 corr.

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    Please share your abdication folles of Diocletian or Maximian!
     
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  3. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Very nice, congratulations!
    Glad you found a good substitute for the CNG coin.

    I have no abdication follii to share, but I would share a recommendation to take a trip to Split.
    Very nice town! Much of the palace is still standing, and the city centre is well conserved from ancient and medieval times.
     
  4. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Eye of Horus

    Thank You. I have never been there, but on a future trip I'd love to visit it!
     
  5. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    Mine. One of each!

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  6. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I already wrote about my new Diocletian abdication follis in the "CNG Revealing All Proxy Bids" thread, also in the context of the example that sold (astonishingly) for $800 -- see my posts beginning with https://www.cointalk.com/threads/cng-revealing-all-proxy-bids.359919/page-10#post-4516616 -- but I might as well post it again here. As I mentioned, I bought it on VCoins from @Victor_Clark for less than 20% of the amount of the winning bid on the CNG coin.

    Diocletian, billon abdication Follis, 305-307 AD, Trier Mint. Obv. Laureate bust right in imperial mantle (trabea), holding olive branch and mappa, D N DIOCLETIANO BAEATISSIMO SEN AVG / Rev. Providentia standing right, holding [scroll or short scepter?] and drapery with left hand and extending right hand to Quies standing left, holding branch downward with right hand and leaning on scepter with left hand, S - F across fields, PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG; PTR in exergue. 27x28 mm., 9.6 gm. RIC VI Trier 673a (p. 208), Sear RCV IV 12927. [Die match to example sold by Numismatik Naumann in 2015; see https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893.]

    Diocletian abdication follis, Trier mint, jpg image.jpg

    A discussion followed about the identity of the object that Providentia holds in her left hand (which doesn't seem to appear in examples from mints other than Trier), and I ended up concluding that it's either a short scepter or a scroll. See these three examples from Trier that I found on acsearch with similar reverses. (In fact, I am 99% sure that the first one, sold by Numismatik Naumann in 2015, is a die match.) In all of them, the object held by Providentia in her left hand looks most like a scroll to me:

    https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=2337893

    https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=758098

    https://www.acsearch.info/image.html?id=495836
     
  7. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Eye of Horus

    Very interesting Donna. I remember your mentioning that you found one in that other thread. I feel pretty lucky as I found a good deal.
     
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  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..that's a very nice one with historical significance (and i'd say at a substantial savings! :))..i have no abdication coin, but do have a pre-reform of him..with quite a critter on the reverse..(and special appearance by Vladislaus ll of Hungary:D) Dioclectian   Vladislaus ll 001.JPG Dioclectian   Vladislaus ll 002.JPG
     
  9. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter Eye of Horus

    Nice examples folks. Anybody else have one?
     
  10. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    Super catch, @ancient coin hunter ! Great write-up. I always thought it cool that Diocletian wanted to farm cabbages again when he retired. What a great way to enjoy life!

    VERY nice abdications, Folks! They are great, and I really like the History behind them.

    Me, nope. Was hoping to luck into one. I like the noble intentions of Diocletian to stabilize the Government. But, alas, nope, did not work.

    I really like that he and Maximianus stepped aside. Then Max got greedy again.

    My only Diocletian and Maximian:

    DIOCLETIAN
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    RI Diocletian Ӕ Quinarius 1.46g 16mm Rome AD 284-305 IOVI CONSERVAT AVGG, Jupiter stndng thunderbolt sceptre R RIC 193


    MAXIMIANUS
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    RI MAXIMIANUS HERCULIUS 286-305 CE antoninianus Antioch 292-295 CE Pre-Reform CONCORDIA MILITVM Jupiter RIC V 621 H-officina 8
     
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  11. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    That coin has a lot of eye-appeal, @ancient coin hunter , in addition to historical interest. Informative write-up, too!

    Bobble-headed post-abdication Maximian with a flan flaw:

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    Maximian, post-abdication, AD 305-306
    Roman billon follis, 8.26 g, 25 mm, 1 h.
    Antioch, AD 305-306.
    Obv: D N MAXIMIANO FELICISSIMO SEN AVG, laureate bust, right, wearing consular robes and holding branch and mappa.
    Rev: PROVIDENTIA DEORVM QVIES AVGG, Providentia standing right, extending right hand to Quies standing left, holding down-facing branch and resting on scepter; I in field between them, ANT: in exergue.
    Refs: RIC 77b, Cohen 489, RCV 13414.
     
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  12. Keith Twitchell

    Keith Twitchell Active Member

    Quoting Svessian: Very nice, congratulations!
    Glad you found a good substitute for the CNG coin.

    I have no abdication follii to share, but I would share a recommendation to take a trip to Split.
    Very nice town! Much of the palace is still standing, and the city centre is well conserved from ancient and medieval times.

    I could not agree more about Split! I actually stayed inside the compound. The combination of living within vestiges of antiquity, the great coastal town vibe, and the beautiful countryside with hikes and other ancient sites is unbeatable. The local museum is fascinating too. I have wanted to go back from the moment I left.
     
  13. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    Half folles for Dio and Max from Alexandria

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