New Claudius As

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by jb_depew, Mar 18, 2018.

  1. jb_depew

    jb_depew Well-Known Member

    After watching I, Claudius again the other week, I decided to buy this as, which I'd had been watching for a while on eBay. Typically I avoid eBay for "larger" purchases, but this one came through Agora auctions originally and I felt fairly confident. I'm in the early stages of building a 12 Caesars set, with an emphasis on portrait quality. The reverse alludes to the Rome's collective liberty from Caligula's madness (I think).
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    42-43 AD
    Rome mint
    Obverse: TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP P P; Bare head left
    Reverse: LIBERTAS AVGVSTA S-C; Libertas standing facing with pileus, extending left hand.
    References: RIC I 113, Cohen 47, BMC 202, von Kaenel Type 77
    Size: 28mm
    Weight: 11.1g
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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  4. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Great coin, love the photo as well. Is that your's or the seller's?
     
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  5. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    That portrait is very expressive. But my favorite parts are the drapery folds of Libertas on the reverse. On Libertas:

    “It is interesting that from Galba onwards LIBERTAS PUBLICA becomes a very common legend on imperial coins. Libertas publica means freedom as it is enjoyed by the public, that is to say absence of oppression and lawlessness; it signifies a state of affairs, not a form of government. Under the Empire it meant order, security, and confidence. It was in fact tantamount to securitas.” (p. 159 Libertas as a Political Idea at Rome During the Late Republic and Early Principate, by C. H. Wirszubski).

    A thread on Libertas:https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-new-to-me-view-of-libertas.304616/#post-2883556

    A thread on your coin type: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/new-claudius-as-with-libertas-reverse-show-yours.295060/
     
  6. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    That's a real beauty!
     
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  7. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Great piece
     
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  8. alde

    alde Always Learning

    Thats a stunning coin. I love the shear, see through look of Libritas robes.
     
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  9. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    What a wonderful portrait! Congrats on picking up such a nice coin.
     
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  10. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Wonderful coin! Congrats.

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  11. jb_depew

    jb_depew Well-Known Member

    Very nice!
     
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  12. Nerva

    Nerva Well-Known Member

    Agree with all the drapery love. What I especially like about it is that so much of our knowledge of ancient art comes from sculpture, and even the painting and engraving we have is often sculptural. Amazing to see the artist using a different medium to different ends.
     
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Congrats @jb_depew ! GORGEOUS example and a nice strategy you are taking for the Setonius Twelve! Nice start.

    I have a more pedestrian version...

    RI Claudius 41-54 Ae As 28mm LIBERTAS AVGVSTA S-C RIC 100.jpg
    RI Claudius 41-54 Ae As 28mm LIBERTAS AVGVSTA S-C RIC 100
     
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  14. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Great As there! Still need a Claudius...
     
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  15. galba68

    galba68 Well-Known Member

    lovely coin..
     
  16. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Great coin, I really like the portrait style which (to my eye) is somewhat unusual, in a very pleasing way. Also agree about all the comments above on the drapery. Here's my best drapery on a Claudius:
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  17. Ivo

    Ivo Member

    The Claudius portraits are really nice and very charistic . Thank you all for showing.
     
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  18. Pierre R. Monney

    Pierre R. Monney New Member

    One of the best portraits of Claudius I have ever seen.. Congratulations.
     
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  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    This thread reminds me of days of old. The coin Sear found to be fake had been sold as genuine by Heritage Europe and Auctiones GmbH. It is always good to watch even expert sellers when it comes to popular, high dollar coins.
     
  20. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Doug seems to be advising us to be cautious when it comes to Claudius. Fair enough. Given the range of portrait styles and the prevalence of unofficial mint issues, Claudius is particularly tough to authenticate. Is there something specific that concerns you about the OP coin, @dougsmit?

    I think it merits further investigation. Upon closer examination there may be some indications of casting (?), e.g letter edges, hair detail at the top. Also, how confident are you, @jb_depew, that it did indeed come from Agora? I was unable to find it when searching their auction archive.
     
  21. jb_depew

    jb_depew Well-Known Member

    I always appreciate candid feedback, both good and bad. The coin sold in Agora Holding History Coins Auction 7, lot 172, April 21, 2016. My only reservation prior to purchasing it is that the portrait style seems to be a little different than other examples I'd seen, but realized that this can vary and that perhaps a die match would come out of the woodwork and set my mind at ease. If anyone has specific concerns about authenticity I'd love to hear them.
     
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