New Claudius As With Libertas Reverse (show yours)

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Aethelred, Apr 22, 2017.

  1. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    I am not altogether happy with these photos, they fail to capture the appearance of the coin in hand, but I guess they will no for now.

    This is a As of Claudius Caesar issued in AD 42 at the Rome Mint. It is ex. William B. Porter Collection and is listed as RIC I 113, SR-1860. It has a weight of 10.2g and is 30.5mm in diameter.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    David@PCC, ro1974, randygeki and 18 others like this.
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    I also have this example of the same type that I purchased at a FUN show in about 2005. This one is 10.2g and is 30mm in diameter.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
    David@PCC, ro1974, randygeki and 15 others like this.
  4. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    @Aethelred they look like an obverse die match in the photos. What do you think? Your new coin is nice and interesting.
     
    Aethelred likes this.
  6. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    I like your new coin and your pictures (particularly the reverse shot-- nice!). Very colorful :)
     
    Aethelred likes this.
  7. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

  8. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Congrats on the cool OP-Claudius, Aethelred

    Ummm, this is my only Claudius example

    Claudius.jpg
     
    David@PCC, ro1974, randygeki and 17 others like this.
  9. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Would anyone like to comment on the "meaning" of the reverse? If it meant "The freedom of the Empress," or something like that, we'd expect "Libertas Augustae." Is Augusta a title here for the personification? Like "Lady Liberty"? And what does "Libertas" mean, exactly, in imperial Rome?

    I'm asking because the reverse seems deceptively simple. "It's celebrating liberty," one might say. But once one presses the issue of the exact meaning of the legend, and even the contextual limits of "liberty" in the first-century, to me the reverse doesn't seem so self-evident. o_O
     
    Carausius and Aethelred like this.
  10. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    @Bing I thought about that the other night and decided they were not a match, but upon revisiting that issue, I cannot find a difference between the two. I'll allow smarter minds than mine to weigh in on that topic.
     
  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    From Numiswiki:
    This legend and type appear on a second brass of Claudius, as if he had restored liberty to the republic after Caligula ('s) tyranny and oppression.
     
  12. IdesOfMarch01

    IdesOfMarch01 Well-Known Member

    I too have this Claudius as, RIC 113, but my obverse portrait makes Claudius look as if he's had one too many Red Bulls:

    5a - Claudius AE as.jpg
     
    David@PCC, ro1974, Jwt708 and 16 others like this.
  13. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    My word, Ides, that coin looks like it was struck 20 minutes ago. :wideyed:
     
    gregarious and Aethelred like this.
  14. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    @stevex6

    There is a special place in my heart for the Claudius/Minerva type. I'm hunting a nice example right now.
     
    stevex6 and gregarious like this.
  15. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

  16. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Not smarter but I enjoy piddling around in Photoshop :)

    At a glance the obverses look quite similar but once you spot check a few of the usual comparison locations it's easy to see they're not the same.

    CT-Aethered-Claudius.jpg
     
    randygeki, stevex6, icerain and 10 others like this.
  17. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    I think I've posted them not long ago, but here are mine again @Aethelred(not Libertas though)


    Here are two middle bronzes of Claudius, one is official, and the other most probably from a spanish mint, but still with a great style (very much looks like Nero Claudius Drusus to my eyes)

    [​IMG]
    Claudius, Dupondius
    TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP, head left
    CERES AVGVSTA, Ceres, veiled and draped, seated left on ornamental throne, holding two corn-ears and a long torch, S C in exergue.
    11,20 gr
    Ref : RCV # 1855, RIC # 94


    [​IMG]
    Claudius, As produced at a "branch mint", AD 41-42
    TI CLAVDIVS CAESAR AVG P M TR P IMP, Bare head of Claudius left
    CONSTANTIAE AVGVSTI, Constantia helmeted standing left holding spear, SC in field
    10,84 gr
    Ref : RCV #1857, Cohen #14
    For better understanding of where this might have been minted, see : http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=65318.0

    Q
     
    David@PCC, ro1974, randygeki and 14 others like this.
  18. Aethelred

    Aethelred The Old Dead King

    TIF likes this.
  19. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Not quite. It was struck 20 minutes before an ancient collector walked into the mint, selected the best coin struck from recent dies, and walked out with it cradled in cotton gloves. Then he or she, thoughtfully thinking of the distant future, carefully placed it in a pot underground and abandoned it so it could be found almost 2000 years later and added to the IoM collection. The wonderful patina proves it was not struck twenty minutes ago. :happy:
     
  20. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    nice! good work TIFF, i have the Minerva reverse As (listen while i play..my green tambourine) claudius AE AS b4 and after verdi care app 004.JPG claudius AE AS b4 and after verdi care app 005.JPG
     
    randygeki, stevex6, Jwt708 and 8 others like this.
  21. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Well-Known Member

    Good detail and nice patina Aethelred, I have to re shoot this photo of Claudius, Minerva as cropped a bit of obverse at top. 20160811_154231.jpg 20160811_154201.jpg
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page