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<p>[QUOTE="Merkur, post: 3645309, member: 106019"]Hello all, </p><p>this is my first Post so I will quickly introduce myself:</p><p>I'am a 24 year old Pharmacy student from Germany, just recently getting interested in the numismatic side of "investing" into gold. My Main Topics of Interest are with the Livonian/Teutonic Order aswell as the Dutchy of Courland and the general Hanse area.</p><p> </p><p>So with the recent rise in the gold price i was thinking about selling some gold at 1500$, but was quickly turned away by the spread i had to pay. </p><p>The biggest weakness of investing into physical gold is taking that haircut, atleast when dealing with a regular gold-dealer.</p><p>So I did not sell my gold to a dealer in the End, but did something that pretty much gets better the more Gold one owns.</p><p>Its a option strategy called "covered call". </p><p>If you use Options to hedge your Gold, pls let me now, but it does not seem to be a big thing, so I'am trying to raise some awareness.</p><p><br /></p><p>A small example:</p><p>I own 10 ounces of gold.</p><p>I want to take profit on it, because the gold price is quite high, but still I'am long term believer in Gold and I like my gold and don't want to loose 200€ total spread to my dealer.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is what I do (real example):</p><p><br /></p><p>I sell a Call (Promise to buy x-Amount of Gold for y-Price and z-Time-Frame from me)</p><p>x= 10 ounces</p><p>y= 1500$</p><p>z= 41 days</p><p><br /></p><p>For this service I provide, I get paid some money (I completely limit my up-side on my Gold, and grant all possible profits on that gold towards the buyer of said call, that has to be worth something)</p><p><br /></p><p>The sold Call will net me 330$ right now (real example).</p><p>This I can keep, or buy more gold.</p><p><br /></p><p>Note: In order to sell options you need to have colateral in your trading/options account which in this example mounts up to: 2850$ with my option broker</p><p><br /></p><p>So what happens after 41 days?</p><p><br /></p><p>1.The Price of Gold stays the same: -> I make 330$</p><p>2.The Price drops to 1400$: -> I loose 1000$ on my Gold I own and get 330$</p><p>3.The Price rises to 1600$: -> My Option-Account will show me now -670$, but my gold I own is now worth 1000$ more: means I make 330$</p><p><br /></p><p>I will keep my Gold and I will be able to win something no matter what happens.</p><p>If I sell my Gold I loose like 200$ spread to a dealer and have no gold left, hoping for lower prices. But who knows where the market goes <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This can also be applied to silver or any other commodity.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's a strategy that does not make sense under 10 ounces of gold, which is the minimal contract size (atleast if selling a Call on GLD ETF).</p><p>If you want to sell Options on Futures , one of those contracts would have the size of 100ounces (quite alot).</p><p>By adjusting the time frame and the strike price of the call one can further get towars a perfect solution based on once opinion on the market.</p><p><br /></p><p>To make it short, you can get some productivity out of the gold you own.</p><p><br /></p><p>What do you think, would that be a valuable strategy for you, or are you using it already?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Merkur, post: 3645309, member: 106019"]Hello all, this is my first Post so I will quickly introduce myself: I'am a 24 year old Pharmacy student from Germany, just recently getting interested in the numismatic side of "investing" into gold. My Main Topics of Interest are with the Livonian/Teutonic Order aswell as the Dutchy of Courland and the general Hanse area. So with the recent rise in the gold price i was thinking about selling some gold at 1500$, but was quickly turned away by the spread i had to pay. The biggest weakness of investing into physical gold is taking that haircut, atleast when dealing with a regular gold-dealer. So I did not sell my gold to a dealer in the End, but did something that pretty much gets better the more Gold one owns. Its a option strategy called "covered call". If you use Options to hedge your Gold, pls let me now, but it does not seem to be a big thing, so I'am trying to raise some awareness. A small example: I own 10 ounces of gold. I want to take profit on it, because the gold price is quite high, but still I'am long term believer in Gold and I like my gold and don't want to loose 200€ total spread to my dealer. Here is what I do (real example): I sell a Call (Promise to buy x-Amount of Gold for y-Price and z-Time-Frame from me) x= 10 ounces y= 1500$ z= 41 days For this service I provide, I get paid some money (I completely limit my up-side on my Gold, and grant all possible profits on that gold towards the buyer of said call, that has to be worth something) The sold Call will net me 330$ right now (real example). This I can keep, or buy more gold. Note: In order to sell options you need to have colateral in your trading/options account which in this example mounts up to: 2850$ with my option broker So what happens after 41 days? 1.The Price of Gold stays the same: -> I make 330$ 2.The Price drops to 1400$: -> I loose 1000$ on my Gold I own and get 330$ 3.The Price rises to 1600$: -> My Option-Account will show me now -670$, but my gold I own is now worth 1000$ more: means I make 330$ I will keep my Gold and I will be able to win something no matter what happens. If I sell my Gold I loose like 200$ spread to a dealer and have no gold left, hoping for lower prices. But who knows where the market goes :D This can also be applied to silver or any other commodity. It's a strategy that does not make sense under 10 ounces of gold, which is the minimal contract size (atleast if selling a Call on GLD ETF). If you want to sell Options on Futures , one of those contracts would have the size of 100ounces (quite alot). By adjusting the time frame and the strike price of the call one can further get towars a perfect solution based on once opinion on the market. To make it short, you can get some productivity out of the gold you own. What do you think, would that be a valuable strategy for you, or are you using it already?[/QUOTE]
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