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<p>[QUOTE="Suarez, post: 3528962, member: 99239"]There's a little bit of blame to go around I'd say. On the one hand it's easy for an auctioneer to miss noting tooling that's well done and not immediately obvious. It isn't in their best interest to disclose it - creating an instant conflict of interest - but there's tooling and then there's <i>tooling</i>. </p><p><br /></p><p>On the other hand NGC (I'm going out on a limb here) probably uses their protocol they've honed over the years for Morgan dollars and applies it wholesale to ancients; which is ridiculous. Why even have a program dedicated to ancients if they're not taking into account the special considerations and conventions that apply there? Either they don't care or they're hoping the market will fall in line to their way of seeing things. Either path is nuts but, hey, it's all about the money so really the joke's on us.</p><p><br /></p><p>On the third hand perhaps you should moderate your expectations. It is probable, though I can't of course prove it, that a high percentage of valuable ancient bronzes have had a little work done on them. Maybe a touch up here, maybe a little repatina job there. The very act of cleaning a coin is, technically speaking, tooling. </p><p><br /></p><p>If these coins are legit and don't have any gross alterations, which appears to be the case, why the hell are you allowing this to interfere with the joy of showing them off to your friends as you were expecting to do? Believe me, your friends will appreciate them as you're telling them those sexually deviant, horrifically violent stories <i>as they're holding them in their hands</i> rather than look at them through thick plastic anyway, I promise you that ;- )[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Suarez, post: 3528962, member: 99239"]There's a little bit of blame to go around I'd say. On the one hand it's easy for an auctioneer to miss noting tooling that's well done and not immediately obvious. It isn't in their best interest to disclose it - creating an instant conflict of interest - but there's tooling and then there's [I]tooling[/I]. On the other hand NGC (I'm going out on a limb here) probably uses their protocol they've honed over the years for Morgan dollars and applies it wholesale to ancients; which is ridiculous. Why even have a program dedicated to ancients if they're not taking into account the special considerations and conventions that apply there? Either they don't care or they're hoping the market will fall in line to their way of seeing things. Either path is nuts but, hey, it's all about the money so really the joke's on us. On the third hand perhaps you should moderate your expectations. It is probable, though I can't of course prove it, that a high percentage of valuable ancient bronzes have had a little work done on them. Maybe a touch up here, maybe a little repatina job there. The very act of cleaning a coin is, technically speaking, tooling. If these coins are legit and don't have any gross alterations, which appears to be the case, why the hell are you allowing this to interfere with the joy of showing them off to your friends as you were expecting to do? Believe me, your friends will appreciate them as you're telling them those sexually deviant, horrifically violent stories [I]as they're holding them in their hands[/I] rather than look at them through thick plastic anyway, I promise you that ;- )[/QUOTE]
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