Mystery Coin of the Day

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  1. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Silver Deep toning 12 mm x 13 mm x 1.94 grams
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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

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    Western Kshatrapas: Rudrasimha I (178-197 AD.)
    O: Head of king right.
    R. Chaitya (3-arched hill), river below, crescent moon and sun above, Brahmi legend around.
    14.mm
    2.0g
     
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  4. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    No inscription to read the name. You can likely attribute it by making portrait and type comparisons.
     
  5. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Oh but the name is there...:smuggrin: 12-5 o'clock name and titles.

    @Mat not Western Satraps but you found a prototype.
     
  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    India Gujarat Chalukyas Gadhaiya Paisa BI Drachm 9th C CE  Sun Moon Fire Alter Crescent O-tile.jpg
    India
    Gujarat Chalukyas
    Gadhaiya Paisa
    Billon drachm
    4.6g, 14mm, 3h;
    ca 9th cent AD
    Obv.: degenerated Indo-Sasanian style bust to right, sun and moon above
    Rev.: stylized fire altar, sun above left, crescent moon above right
    Reference: Deyell 156-159


    India Gujarat Chalukyas Gadhaiya Paisa BI Drachm 11th C CE  Sun Moon Fire Alter Crescent O-R.jpg
    India, Anonymous, Chalukyas of Gujarat,
    AR drachm (gadhaiya paisa),
    c. 11th century.
    Obv.: Degenerate Indo-Sasanian style bust right, sun and moon (crown?) above.
    Rev.: Stylized fire altar, sun (consisting of rosette of dots) above left, crescent moon above right.
    Reference: Deyell 158, Mitchiner Non-Islamic 427
     
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  7. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer


    Top coin obverse is upside down. Its a bust!
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, 200 years progress between these two coins... You get more DOTS!
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Fixed.
     
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  10. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    You always get less dots - your date is reversed :writer:
     
  11. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Eventually turns into something like this from the Omkara Monastery c. 1300.

    Needs new photo!
    OmkaraMandhataBI1150-1300.jpg
     
  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Interesting, bought them at two different times. Attributes that I copied were correct as I posted (Except my photography of an upside bust for the 9th CE version...)
     
  13. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    From an actual monastery? That's pretty cool Anoob. Did any Nepalese or Tibetan monasteries mint coins?
     
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  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Don't those usually read the name and son of another name? I do not read the letters. The style really does not look like a standard coin so I assume this is very early or some such trick.

    The general format is also found with some things other than the hills in the center. I had trouble finding examples with centering I found acceptable.

    Kumaragupta I with Garuda bird reverse
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    Valabhi with Trident
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  15. Ancientnoob

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  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I did a page back in 2011 on the degeneration of the style including the image below. I really am not sure how much of what I said on that page is accurate. I point out on the page that my page is not guaranteed but mostly to suggest these coins might be found interesting by some looking for something different.
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    http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/gadpaisa.html
     
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  17. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    Very Early...no...but you saved yourself with " or some such trick" its actually "late" but is contemporary with the two coins posted give or take a generation. You are correct the style is unorthodox and is not a "standard" coin.

    I have some serious gripes with the centering of Indian coins.
     
  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I get the impression that dies were intentionally made too large for the flans to make it harder to make a die by copying a coin. No one coin has all the details. Some types are lucky to have half.
     
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  19. Ancientnoob

    Ancientnoob Money Changer

    That's very plausible. It seems to be a common occurrence across several contemporary dynasties. Why only the silver coinage?

    Nice Garuda and excellent trident - now you need the bull. :)

    KrishnaRaja.jpg
     
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  20. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    man, i don't know....here's mine of the style...


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  21. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    Great pic and page, Doug.
     
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