Medieval Monday!

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by FitzNigel, Sep 14, 2020.

  1. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    @robp....Lovely coin with super toning!
    Here's an interesting one....
    Toramana II lifetime issue ....I picked this one up as you can clearly see the lions head that Lakshmi is seated on, be it a rug or the feline itself...Quite difficult to find the lion depicted in such detail..I do know that @THCoins has a stunner!
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  3. Orielensis

    Orielensis Well-Known Member

    Finally – its medieval Monday!

    Today, since I have never shown it before in its entirety, I'm going to post my small collection of coins of the Teutonic Order. In the 1226, the Teutonic knights started a campaign against the pagan Prussians, conquered their land, established a sovereign "state," and soon began to strike their own coins.

    Small bracteate pennies like these were used for everyday transactions. The earliest bracteates of the Order are larger and somewhat more complex, but I have none to show.
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    Teutonic Order, anonymous issue, AR bracteate penny, ca. 1290–1410, unknown mint. Obv: shield of the Teutonic Order, three pellets above. Rev: negative design (bracteate). 14mm, 0.16g. Ref: Waschinski 80b; Eggert 12a.

    MA – Deutschland etc., Deutscher Orden, Brakteat, Tor mit Kreuz, Waschinski 123.png
    Teutonic Order, anonymous issue, AR bracteate penny, ca. 1290–1410, unknown mint (Thorn?). Obv: castle gate with three "windows" and three spires ending in spheres; in gate, small cross pattée. Rev: negative design (bracteate). 14.5mm, 0.18. Ref: Waschinski 123(a?).

    MA – Deutschland etc., Deutscher Orden, Brakteat, Kreuz mit Sternen, Waschinski 158 (Foto 3).png
    Teutonic Order, anonymous issue, AR bracteate penny, ca. 1290–1410, unknown mint. Obv: Latin cross flanked by two saltires. Rev: negative design (bracteate). 15mm, 0.21g. Ref: Waschinski 158.


    This type is disputed and unsusual. Maybe it was produced by the knights, maybe it's a Polish issue imitating the cross bracteates of the Order:
    MA – Deutschland etc., Deutscher Orden, Kreuzbrakteat.png
    Teutonic Order (?), anonymous issue, AR bracteate penny, ca. 1290–1410, unknown mint. Obv: cross with forked ends. Rev: negative design (bracteate). 13mm, 0.15g. Ref: Waschinski 179a.

    MA – Deutschland etc., Deutscher Orden, Brakteat, Danziger D, Waschinski 201 (neu).png
    Teutonic Order, anonymous issue, AR bracteate penny, ca. 1290–1410, unknown mint (Danzig?). Obv: rectangle in the shape of a Gothic “D” ornamented by two crosses, the l. cross in the shape of a cloverleaf; star to r.. Rev: negative design (bracteate). 14mm, 0.21g. Ref: Waschinski 201.


    Under Grand Master Winrich von Kniprode (r. 1351–1382), the order started to also strike larger, two-sided coins. Production of the vierchen (4 pennies) and the halbschoter (16 pennies) were soon abandoned again, but the shilling (12 pennies) remained as the large dominant coin of the Order. I know that @AnYangMan has a particularly beautiful example.

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    Teutonic Order, under Grand Master Winrich von Kniprode, AR shilling, 1351–1382, Thorn or Danzig mint (?). Obv: + MAGST WVNRICS PRIMS; eagle shield of the Grand Master. Rev: + MONETA DNORVM PRUCI; shield of the Teutonic Order. 21mm, 1.64g. Ref: Neumann 4.

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    Teutonic Order, under Grand Master Michael Küchmeister, AR shilling, 1414–1422 AD, Thorn mint (?). Obv: * MAGST * MIChAEL : PRI; eagle shield of the Grand Master. Rev: * MONETA.DNORVM.PRV; shield of the Teutonic Order. 20.5mm, 1.52g. Ref: Neumann 14b.

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    Teutonic Order, under Grand Master Conrad V von Erlichshausen, AR schilling,1441–1449, Thorn mint (?). Obv: + MAGST CORADVS QVIN; eagle shield of the Grand Master on long cross. Rev: + MONETA DNORVM PRUs; shield of the Teutonic Order on long cross. 20.5mm, 1.48g. Ref: Neumann 23.

    The Livonian branch of the Order struck their own coinage, often in a similar design:

    MA – Deutschland etc., Livländischer Orden, Schilling, Neumann 204 a (3), neues Foto.png
    Livonian Order, anonymous issue (under Cisso von Ruttenberg or Jan Freitag von Loringhofen?), AR artig, 14th/15th century, Reval mint. Obv: +MAGISTRI x LIVONIE, shield of the Order. Rev: +MONETA x REVALIE; cross with three pellets in each quadrant. 18.5mm, 1.2g. Ref: Neumann 204a; Haljak 6; Hutten-Czapski 4054.
     
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  4. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    Just got this one in the recent Stephen Album sale. Not in hand yet. Sellers picture and description. I need to do some more research on this one. It was an impulse buy.

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    DONAUWÖRTH: Friedrich II, 1215-1250, AR bracteate (0.71g), Royal mint, Stein.-133, Gebh.-26, Berger-2677, crowned bust of the emperor facing, holding a lily and a falcon, EF.
     
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  5. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I’ve always liked this one:
    Med-05a-FTou-1109-William IX-D-1210.jpg French Feudal - Toulouse
    William IX of Aquitaine, second reign r. 1109-1117
    AR Denier, 18.82 mm x 1.1 grams
    Obv.: VVILELMO COME, Cross Pattee in center, S in second quarter
    Rev.: +TOLOSA CIVI around, PAX in center
    Ref.: Duplessy 1210 (as William IV), Roberts 4225 (As William IX), De Wit 439 (as William IV)
     
  6. Edessa

    Edessa Well-Known Member

    Kingdom of Armenia, Cilician Armenia. Hetoum II, AD 1289-1305. AE Kardez (22x25mm. 3.73g, 5h). Sis mint. Obv: Armenian legend around Bust of crowned king facing. Rev: Armenian legend around Patriarchal cross terminating in floral scroll. Ref: Bedoukian 1589.

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  7. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    Raymond Bernard Trencavel as Viscount d'Albi and his feudal coinage, the first feudal emission of Albi, ca. 1050-1070:

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    AR19x18mm 1.23g grand denier, minted at Albi, cca. 1050-1070.
    + RAIMVNd; cross pattee
    + ALBIE CI; VICOC in monogram
    Boudeau 772.
    Monnaies d'Antan Auction 25 Lot 917, May 27 2019.


     
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  8. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    Louis XIV 1/12 ECU louie 14, buck and ball 001.JPG louie 14, buck and ball 002.JPG
     
  9. IanG

    IanG Well-Known Member

    A Sceatta from Eadberht, King of Northumbria, 737-758 AD.


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  10. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Edward IV first reign heavy coinage halfpenny with mm. Rose. The red wax seen was deposited when this coin was used for illustration purposes in Blunt & Whitton's BNJ article. ex C A Whitton collection.
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  11. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    This Henry II denier from Aquitaine went under the radar in an auction few years ago. I recently snagged another Aquitaine coin in a similar fashion (waiting for it to arrive though)
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    French Feudal - Aquitaine
    Henry II, r. 1152-1168
    Bordeaux Mint, BL Denier, 16.57mm x 0.8 grams
    Obv.: +hENRICVS REX, cross pattée
    Rev.: º+º / AQVI / TANI / ºEº, in four lines
    Ref.: AGC 2 (1/a), Duplessy 1030, Roberts 3881, SCBC 8001, (Elias 1)
    Ex. R.D. Frederick Collection. Ex. A.H. Baldwin
     
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Here is my first (and so far only-) bracteate. 'Twas a relatively recent purchase.

    German States (Brunswick-Lüneburg): silver bracteate of William Longsword, ca. 1195-1213
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    Obverse: lion passant, left.
    Reverse: incuse mirrored image of obverse.
    Issuer: William of Winchester, Lord of Lüneburg (aka "William Longsword").
    Specifications: silver, 21.5 mm, 0.54 g.
    Grade: "Fast Vorzüglich" (Choice XF), per Münzenhandlung Brom.
    Reference: Numista-106982 (other references cited there).
    Provenance: ex-Münzenhandlung Brom, Berlin, Germany, 8 July 2020.*
    Notes: a bracteate was a uniface coin hammered with a single die upon a thin sheet of metal, which reproduced the same design on both sides; raised on one side and reversed and incuse on the opposite side. Bracteates (hohlpfennige, or "hollow pennies") were a regional medieval coin that circulated in many German-speaking lands from the 12th to 14th centuries.
    Comments: This was my first bracteate. Prior to its purchase, I had struck out at least three times in my attempts to win one at auction. I finally bought this one at retail instead. I like it for its simple yet suitably medieval-looking lion motif (William was the son of Henry the Lion), and its appealing old cabinet toning. I also like that it's from one of the German Brunswick (Braunschweig) regions, since I'm from Brunswick (Georgia, USA).
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  13. AnYangMan

    AnYangMan Well-Known Member

    It’s not Monday anymore, but since @Orielensis tagged it, I think it is fair game to post my Wynrich von Kniprode Schilling on a Tuesday!

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    And while we are at it, how about a little gold from Holland?

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    County of Holland, Willem V, AV Goudgulden (1386 - 1388, Dordrecht)
     
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  14. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    I would add a Hainaut piece for Willem but it's Tuesday... :bag::bag::bag:
     
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  15. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    Every time you post your Henry II Anglo-Gallic denier @FitzNigel it reminds me how badly I want to add one to my collection. I just lost out on one in the most recent CNG e-auction, out bid on thedat it closed. One if these days I will get one. Right now it is #3 on my list, behind short cross pennies from Rhuddlan and Kings Lynn.
     
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  16. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    I was about to say - I thought I saw one available recently (thought about bidding myself to get a nicer example - but I snagged the Richard I obol instead)
     
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  17. TheRed

    TheRed Well-Known Member

    That is a great obol, congrats on adding it to your collection. I look forward to seeing it posted to the forum.
     
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  18. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Another Monday here, so time to resurrect the thread.
    Mercia. Burgred (852-874) penny, the moneyer is Osmund.
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  19. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    @robp, that involuntarily set off Handel's 'Musick for the Royal Fireworks' in my head. (Used to listen to it every 4th of July.) Just, Uh, Freaking, Mazing.
    ...Besides, well, The, Freaking, Coin, does the superficial resemblance of the reverse legends (with Osmund's name) to runes represent some kind of transition between alphabets? The ninth century would seem awfully late for any such phenomenon, but I'm too ignorant not to ask.
     
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  20. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    ...And, Sure, why not. --'Time zones? we don't need your stinking time zones.' Close enough to Monday, even here. It's a small planet.
    This is an ecclesiastical denier of Clermont, in the county of Auvergne (northeastern Aquitaine, bordering the Duchy of Bugundy), c. 13th century. I don't like the 'portrait' so much --Mary looks like she was having a bad day-- but otherwise, it's okay, I guess.
    COINS, FRANCE, CLERMONT, OBV.JPG
    COINS, FRANCE, CLERMONT, REV.JPG

    Bishopric of Clermont, anonymous issues, c. 13th century.
    Obv. St. Mary facing, crowned. S.CA. MARIA. ('S[an]cta Maria,' the initial 'C' and 'T' of 'Sancta' ligated.)*
    Rev. Cross cantonnée. +VRBS. ARVERNA ('[Capital] City of Auvergne [whether in a secular or ecclesiastical capacity]'.)
    *The ligature is quintessentially mid-13th-century, whether you're looking at the voided long cross pennies of Henry III, from 1247, or the contemporaneous Gothic cursive of the chronicler Matthew Paris.
    By this means, the issue only emphasizes the cultural porosity of the High Gothic ethos, across political borders. ...Especially by this point, relative to the 'Angevin Empire' of the preceding century. In that sense, it was kind of its own miniature version of Hellenism.
     
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  21. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    Not as far as I can see as the only equivalent runic letter resembling those used on the coin is the R. I can't see any reason why runic would be used as it's a hundred years plus later from it's regular use. The engraving seems to have been done with 7 punches - a long and a short bar, a small and large crescent, a triangle, a stop and an annulet, which leads to an angular style, but is nevertheless consistent with legends going forward.
     
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