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Message:: [QUOTE="Danjohnson, post: 2494938, member: 80228"]To the bolded, I obtain income by producing value for clients in a free exchange. I don't tax them (except when the State tells me to), I don't rob them, nor force them to associate with me in any coercive manner whatsoever. I don't understand how you've drawn that conclusion of me? I'm certainly not a thief. I don't deny a collective "We" economy exists, heck I participate in it but I don't confuse the abstract concept of "We" with the reality of "Me". "We" is nothing more than a description of more than one "Me" but only "Me"(s) actually exist. The problem with using "We" as a single entity in economics, is it affords a "believer" the opportunity to (inadvertently?) insert their personal biases en masse, ("We owe it to ourselves"). If they have the power of government behind them, it affords them the opportunity to engage in "Market Shenanigans"  and coercively (big difference between cooperatively and coercively. Whole reason for the IRS.) force those beliefs onto others. No two individuals are exactly alike and as such, unless individual "Me"(s) choose to freely associate into a "We" market, it doesn't work long term. You can bet while it pays good though, the "experts" will keep trying. (lol)[/QUOTE]