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<p>[QUOTE="fatima, post: 1474325, member: 22143"]Technically speaking, any market is "manipulated" by even the most minimum of sales relative to the size of the market. Illegal manipulation occurs when an entity or person breaks the law to cause price changes. Naked shorting is an example. The manipulation may not even be illegal, but uses unfair advantages, such as taxpayer back stopping to achieve a goal. No doubt the discussion here is about the latter two and not the former. </p><p><br /></p><p>It should be pretty clear now that selling corn futures and selling silver or gold futures are quite different. This because this activity happens on completely different exchanges CME (corn) vs Comex (Au & Ag) Someone should not look for a pit boss at the CME to tell them about events at the Comex. </p><p><br /></p><p>Furthermore sellers on the CME use the market to find buyers for their physical products, i.e. corn, because they WANT to deliver this product. A farmer goes bust if he can't deliver corn to a buyer. 100% of these contracts get delivered. In contrast bullion sellers on the Comex may or may not need to deliver a product because gold and silver bullion does not have a shelf life and it's very expensive to move. Settlement can be nothing more than cash or notational changes in a bullion vault. The motivations and goals of participants are quite different which is why the Comex has remained a separate entity just for these metals. </p><p><br /></p><p>So in terms of manipulation, where the party most likely will not need to perform delivery, there is a huge opportunity to engage in illegal or wrong price manipulation on the Comex that simply does not exist at the CME. It takes careful regulation, enforcement of rules and laws, and a commitment by the taxpayer backstopped banks not to take unfair advantage of the system in order for it to work properly. If people wish to believe this is all working as designed it's their business. IMO, the finance system has not demonstrated in any way that it is operating at a trustworthy level. </p><p><br /></p><p>People buying silver for the short term should take care not to travel into this minefield with rose colored glasses on. It's your money so do the research yourself. Don't listen to anecdotes and self proclaimed accolades unless these people are willing to cover your losses. Don't just listen to me. However everything I posted above can be easily verified by doing a little reading. In no way do you have to simply trust what I am saying.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="fatima, post: 1474325, member: 22143"]Technically speaking, any market is "manipulated" by even the most minimum of sales relative to the size of the market. Illegal manipulation occurs when an entity or person breaks the law to cause price changes. Naked shorting is an example. The manipulation may not even be illegal, but uses unfair advantages, such as taxpayer back stopping to achieve a goal. No doubt the discussion here is about the latter two and not the former. It should be pretty clear now that selling corn futures and selling silver or gold futures are quite different. This because this activity happens on completely different exchanges CME (corn) vs Comex (Au & Ag) Someone should not look for a pit boss at the CME to tell them about events at the Comex. Furthermore sellers on the CME use the market to find buyers for their physical products, i.e. corn, because they WANT to deliver this product. A farmer goes bust if he can't deliver corn to a buyer. 100% of these contracts get delivered. In contrast bullion sellers on the Comex may or may not need to deliver a product because gold and silver bullion does not have a shelf life and it's very expensive to move. Settlement can be nothing more than cash or notational changes in a bullion vault. The motivations and goals of participants are quite different which is why the Comex has remained a separate entity just for these metals. So in terms of manipulation, where the party most likely will not need to perform delivery, there is a huge opportunity to engage in illegal or wrong price manipulation on the Comex that simply does not exist at the CME. It takes careful regulation, enforcement of rules and laws, and a commitment by the taxpayer backstopped banks not to take unfair advantage of the system in order for it to work properly. If people wish to believe this is all working as designed it's their business. IMO, the finance system has not demonstrated in any way that it is operating at a trustworthy level. People buying silver for the short term should take care not to travel into this minefield with rose colored glasses on. It's your money so do the research yourself. Don't listen to anecdotes and self proclaimed accolades unless these people are willing to cover your losses. Don't just listen to me. However everything I posted above can be easily verified by doing a little reading. In no way do you have to simply trust what I am saying.[/QUOTE]
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