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<p>[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1015087, member: 27043"]I dunno about the professional part...I certainly don't make a living at it. *lol* Probably safe to say that I enjoy more hobbies than I otherwise could because of it, however. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>And I think my whole point with the analogy to poker is this:</p><p><br /></p><p>Poker is the only exception in the casino : NOBODY takes the house's money, REGARDLESS of the outcome of any hand/game.</p><p><br /></p><p>Consider the vast majority of casino games. Roulette, slots, etc. They share 2 traits. </p><p><br /></p><p>First, they are random. NOTHING you can do, from yelling to praying to holding your mouth a certain way, can change the outcome of a round/hand/game/roll/pull. Say the magic words all you want...that slot is still going to come up Orange-Cherry-Bar.</p><p><br /></p><p>Second, by definition, the house is going to win over time. The simplest of this expression is roulette. A bet on Red or Black pays 2-1. The 'catch" is those two green slots, 0 and 00. Spin the wheel 100 times, 1000 times, 1,000,000 times...and red won't QUITE come up 50% of the time...ever so slightly less. The reason they're set up this way is simple...when you DO win, it's the HOUSE'S money you're taking....so they're going to make darn sure they win more than you do.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now...there are a FEW games that are exceptions to the first rule. Blackjack is the most well known...and most closely watched by the casinos. There are certain things you can do (google "card counting" and "MIT blackjack team" for interesting history/insight, if you're unfamiliar) to overcome the house advantage, and swing the odds in YOUR favor.</p><p><br /></p><p>The problem, of course, is that blackjack, while being a "beatable" game with the right knowledge, doesn't escape condition 2 above...you're STILL TAKING THE HOUSE'S MONEY when you win. go figure, they don't like that a whole lot. being, as they are, private businesses, they're welcome to refuse service to any customer they wish. Since they know the strategies as well as the best counters, odds are extremely high you'll be caught, asked to leave, and likely exposed to other casinos nearby.</p><p><br /></p><p>The ONE game that escapes both rules above is poker. </p><p><br /></p><p>First, it is a game whose outcome not only CAN be changed by how you play it, but is frequently DETERMINED solely and only by how you play it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Second, the house couldn't care less if you win or lose. They take their rake or tournament fee, and have their money. NOTHING you can do will get it BACK, and nothing THEY can do will take more of it. They're going to make X, whether you win or I do. It's not their money in play...it's the players'. When you win, you take everyone else's money...not the house's.</p><p><br /></p><p>Those two facts being the case, it makes the analogy to a Kitco pool account pretty accurate, really.</p><p><br /></p><p>Your success is, over time, determined by how well you play the game. How well you play is determined by making the right decisions. Making the right decisions requires knowledge, intelligence, wisdom, and information. Avoiding big losses requires patience, and knowing when you don't have enough information to take a risk. And hey...Kitco's gonna make their money either way. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>And yeah...just like poker, there's still an element of chance. You can do everything right, and still lose...so guess what...if you went to the casino with $200, don't sit down at a $200 buy-in table. Find a micro- or low-stakes table, sit down with $20-$50. </p><p><br /></p><p>Or...buy in at Kitco for a few ounces, not your entire PM portfolio. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="gboulton, post: 1015087, member: 27043"]I dunno about the professional part...I certainly don't make a living at it. *lol* Probably safe to say that I enjoy more hobbies than I otherwise could because of it, however. :) And I think my whole point with the analogy to poker is this: Poker is the only exception in the casino : NOBODY takes the house's money, REGARDLESS of the outcome of any hand/game. Consider the vast majority of casino games. Roulette, slots, etc. They share 2 traits. First, they are random. NOTHING you can do, from yelling to praying to holding your mouth a certain way, can change the outcome of a round/hand/game/roll/pull. Say the magic words all you want...that slot is still going to come up Orange-Cherry-Bar. Second, by definition, the house is going to win over time. The simplest of this expression is roulette. A bet on Red or Black pays 2-1. The 'catch" is those two green slots, 0 and 00. Spin the wheel 100 times, 1000 times, 1,000,000 times...and red won't QUITE come up 50% of the time...ever so slightly less. The reason they're set up this way is simple...when you DO win, it's the HOUSE'S money you're taking....so they're going to make darn sure they win more than you do. Now...there are a FEW games that are exceptions to the first rule. Blackjack is the most well known...and most closely watched by the casinos. There are certain things you can do (google "card counting" and "MIT blackjack team" for interesting history/insight, if you're unfamiliar) to overcome the house advantage, and swing the odds in YOUR favor. The problem, of course, is that blackjack, while being a "beatable" game with the right knowledge, doesn't escape condition 2 above...you're STILL TAKING THE HOUSE'S MONEY when you win. go figure, they don't like that a whole lot. being, as they are, private businesses, they're welcome to refuse service to any customer they wish. Since they know the strategies as well as the best counters, odds are extremely high you'll be caught, asked to leave, and likely exposed to other casinos nearby. The ONE game that escapes both rules above is poker. First, it is a game whose outcome not only CAN be changed by how you play it, but is frequently DETERMINED solely and only by how you play it. Second, the house couldn't care less if you win or lose. They take their rake or tournament fee, and have their money. NOTHING you can do will get it BACK, and nothing THEY can do will take more of it. They're going to make X, whether you win or I do. It's not their money in play...it's the players'. When you win, you take everyone else's money...not the house's. Those two facts being the case, it makes the analogy to a Kitco pool account pretty accurate, really. Your success is, over time, determined by how well you play the game. How well you play is determined by making the right decisions. Making the right decisions requires knowledge, intelligence, wisdom, and information. Avoiding big losses requires patience, and knowing when you don't have enough information to take a risk. And hey...Kitco's gonna make their money either way. :) And yeah...just like poker, there's still an element of chance. You can do everything right, and still lose...so guess what...if you went to the casino with $200, don't sit down at a $200 buy-in table. Find a micro- or low-stakes table, sit down with $20-$50. Or...buy in at Kitco for a few ounces, not your entire PM portfolio. ;)[/QUOTE]
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