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<p>[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1595868, member: 41665"]Once-upon-a-time. That is not true anymore. Retail prices can remain high (or even advance) as global commodity prices (business levels) fall. Also, there can be global deflation (in USD$) even as a (Dollar-pegged) currency's retail prices increase exponentially. In nominal paper, things can get screwy. I think we've been seeing that since 2000 or so; this supercycle collapse is far from over.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for Gold/PMs, the 'market price' can drop while dealer's premiums RISE ... or they can decide not to sell (or go-out-of-business, etc.) instead. Imagine a scenario where 'low mkt price' (COMEX PM Fix) co-exists with almost nothing available in coinshops or dwindling shows (except at <i>much higher </i>real prices.) See how many LCS have shuttered already: is that business niche healthy, growing? </p><p><br /></p><p>And why is the cost-of-living <i>rising </i>still, if we're trapped in a dis->deflationary cycle which began in 2000? In deflation, <i>overall business declines </i>and that seems to be what's happening around the USA. This economy is still in contraction - that also explains why companies still aren't hiring (or hire only a depressed wages) and 'healthy' corporations remain parked in cash. So - for the 99% - why isn't cost-of-living automatically FALLING in this so-called "deflationary environment"? Reading inflationists and deflationists battle it out for years - no one seems to explain the conundrum ... nor do I pretend to understand it, either. </p><p><br /></p><p>I think today's 'problem with deflation' is that it's an AGGREGATE measure based on purely paper assets (where <i>credit is money</i>, just as promissory paper is money >> M3+?) Nowadays, even fmr Fed Chrman Greenspan isn't sure how to define money (as he famously admitted before Congress.) So how & why should we expect any prices to be strictly <i>rational </i>in such a fluid and ever-debasing system? The genii is out of the bottle, I fear... the Paper's failing and so these mixed signals make sense. </p><p><br /></p><p>"The Fed is out of bullets" means exactly THAT, to me. That's the Number One Reason to HOLD a monetary alternative/ real hard asset, not think of bullion as an 'investment.' On the contrary, it's 'the Hedge Against' the now-failing Paper-Game. Longer term, I'm very bearish and - at the bottom - suppose <i>adjusted </i>home prices in most areas will probably have dropped another ~ -40% (with US stocks ~ -80% ; US bonds ~ -95%!) But the 'adjustment' will be relative, buried in e-zeros. That's HUGELY 'deflationary' for americans' (All-Paper) wealth ... yet retail commodities (eg. food/gas) will still be higher too. Go figure, this is the conundrum of modern deflation. And doesn't it ALWAYS end in hyperinflation/ devaluation? </p><p><br /></p><p>Look at <i>most retail prices </i>in deflationary Japan, for example, since 1997. Did things (not rubbished paper assets, but actual <i>retail products</i>) get cheaper by the numbers there? </p><p>I-don't-think-so. It <u>won't</u> be different here either. The Great Reset - which MUST happen - will be brutal and painful for all. That's where <i>kicking-the-can-down-the-road </i>leads us.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just my two cents ... and yeah: I <u>do</u> hope I'm very <i>very </i>wrong on how it plays out.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Juan Blanco, post: 1595868, member: 41665"]Once-upon-a-time. That is not true anymore. Retail prices can remain high (or even advance) as global commodity prices (business levels) fall. Also, there can be global deflation (in USD$) even as a (Dollar-pegged) currency's retail prices increase exponentially. In nominal paper, things can get screwy. I think we've been seeing that since 2000 or so; this supercycle collapse is far from over. As for Gold/PMs, the 'market price' can drop while dealer's premiums RISE ... or they can decide not to sell (or go-out-of-business, etc.) instead. Imagine a scenario where 'low mkt price' (COMEX PM Fix) co-exists with almost nothing available in coinshops or dwindling shows (except at [I]much higher [/I]real prices.) See how many LCS have shuttered already: is that business niche healthy, growing? And why is the cost-of-living [I]rising [/I]still, if we're trapped in a dis->deflationary cycle which began in 2000? In deflation, [I]overall business declines [/I]and that seems to be what's happening around the USA. This economy is still in contraction - that also explains why companies still aren't hiring (or hire only a depressed wages) and 'healthy' corporations remain parked in cash. So - for the 99% - why isn't cost-of-living automatically FALLING in this so-called "deflationary environment"? Reading inflationists and deflationists battle it out for years - no one seems to explain the conundrum ... nor do I pretend to understand it, either. I think today's 'problem with deflation' is that it's an AGGREGATE measure based on purely paper assets (where [I]credit is money[/I], just as promissory paper is money >> M3+?) Nowadays, even fmr Fed Chrman Greenspan isn't sure how to define money (as he famously admitted before Congress.) So how & why should we expect any prices to be strictly [I]rational [/I]in such a fluid and ever-debasing system? The genii is out of the bottle, I fear... the Paper's failing and so these mixed signals make sense. "The Fed is out of bullets" means exactly THAT, to me. That's the Number One Reason to HOLD a monetary alternative/ real hard asset, not think of bullion as an 'investment.' On the contrary, it's 'the Hedge Against' the now-failing Paper-Game. Longer term, I'm very bearish and - at the bottom - suppose [I]adjusted [/I]home prices in most areas will probably have dropped another ~ -40% (with US stocks ~ -80% ; US bonds ~ -95%!) But the 'adjustment' will be relative, buried in e-zeros. That's HUGELY 'deflationary' for americans' (All-Paper) wealth ... yet retail commodities (eg. food/gas) will still be higher too. Go figure, this is the conundrum of modern deflation. And doesn't it ALWAYS end in hyperinflation/ devaluation? Look at [I]most retail prices [/I]in deflationary Japan, for example, since 1997. Did things (not rubbished paper assets, but actual [I]retail products[/I]) get cheaper by the numbers there? I-don't-think-so. It [U]won't[/U] be different here either. The Great Reset - which MUST happen - will be brutal and painful for all. That's where [I]kicking-the-can-down-the-road [/I]leads us. Just my two cents ... and yeah: I [U]do[/U] hope I'm very [I]very [/I]wrong on how it plays out.[/QUOTE]
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