Is this the bullion used to make pre-1933 gold coins?

Discussion in 'Bullion Investing' started by Gam3rBlake, Jul 8, 2021.

  1. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    I was just browsing Heritage Auctions, something I do regularly, and I came across this gold ingot bar from 1855.

    It says it’s ~160 oz of .891 fine gold.

    Is this a bar that the mint would have used to make things like $10 Gold Eagles and $5 Half Eagles?

    Apparently it was worth $2,958 in 1855 dollars.

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  3. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    Look at the top right.
    It looks like someone took a corner off.
     
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  4. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Well I mean it was found in the shipwreck of the SS Central America so my guess is that it was damaged somehow whether it was during the wreck itself or during the 100+ years between the wreck and the discovery.

    Like maybe it banged up against something. Gold is super soft so it wouldn’t take much.
     
  5. Hookman

    Hookman Well-Known Member

    I wonder what it weighs right now, still the same....or less?
     
  6. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Well HA listed it as 160.64 troy ounces just like it is stamped on the bar.

    Right now it has a bid of $270,000 which is hilarious because it’s less than gold melt value xD
     
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  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I believe that that is just the fineness of the ingot. Honestly though,I am not sure. I would imagine that the mint used .9999 pure gold and added the copper at the mint for the correct purity and weight.
     
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  8. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Hmm I guess I just figured maybe that’s why this bar was refined to only .891 fineness rather than .999.

    Then I wondered if that’s why it says “$2,958” like it’s sort of telling the mint “This ingot can be made into $2,958 in gold coinage”.
     
  9. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis OWNER - EBS Numis LLC Supporter

    o_O
     
  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Gold coins are made of .900 fine gold not .891 fine.
     
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I wouldn’t know as I wasn’t alive in 1855. :)
     
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  12. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    does ha list the dimensions for this bar
    ??
     
  13. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    That is a sign of authenticity. The assayer did his work, then cut a small corner off as his payment. All authentic such items has a corner missing, it was common and expected. Find one without it and its most likely a fake.
     
  14. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    That would make the bar weight less if clipped after the assessment.

    Very cool bar though, maybe the authentic barnicals make up the weight loss :D
     
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  15. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    Yes it does. Everyone using these bars knew the assays took his cut post certification. It has been that way a very long time. I do not know when it stopped.
     
  16. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    No, I believe the US Mint assayed their own Gold it was getting from different States throughout the US. I'm sure I read about it in "History of the US Mint and Coinage by Evans!" One is for sale right now if anyone is interested! :D

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