Is 3x face good for 40% halves?

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  1. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I sold 20 40%s to a lcs for $1.50 each coin. That seems kinda low. But then again I know that 40% isn’t super desirable.

    Is that alright or did I get taken?
     
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  3. Legomaster1

    Legomaster1 Cointalk Patron

    Edit: Sorry, misread. For selling, you needed to go higher (at least $2-$2.5).
    NGC places current melt value at $3.78.
     
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  4. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I sold a bunch of 40%ers for $2 a coin when silver was like $2.50 for a 40%er. I wouldn't have sold them for so low if I was you. But your situation may be different.
    Anything over face is good if all you paid was face.
     
  5. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Great, that’s a lesson learned I guess
     
  6. coiner87

    coiner87 New Member

    melt is $3.77 per coin. Id say you got taken. Id at least expect to sell at spot or slightly less.
     
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  7. The Eidolon

    The Eidolon Well-Known Member

    i wonder if one of our coin dealers might be able to say what their margin is on 40% halves and the like. With silver at $25+ an ounce of 40% silver should be worth about $10 and a half dollar has 11.5 g of weight. Using one of those online calculators I get about $3.75 melt value per coin. $1.50 each doesn't sound like much to me, but I'm not a dealer trying to make a living in this business. I guess trying to get a couple competing quotes would be safer.

    For comparison, I know my local dealer buys general wheat cents for 2 cents each each and sells them for 3. That's a 50% gross margin, but barely enough profit in an absolute sense to be worth bothering.
     
  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I just checked my LCS' website and they are buying for $2.80 per 40%er.
     
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  9. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Derp, derp, derp!

    Who buys anything with no numismatic premium at spot?
     
  10. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I knew I shouldn’t have sold, it seemed low but I had no idea if that was reasonable especially for 40%.
    “Do your research!”
     
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  11. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    At least it was only $10 face. Lesson learned.
    Also, be wary of this LCS in the future. They clearly value immediate profit over patronage.
     
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  12. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Here is a good link (it should automatically pull up the most recent day's numbers)...it incudes many of the typical bullion products....and it is what a big dealer pays other dealers (so expect smaller dealers to pay somewhat less to make a profit)

    https://trading.upstatecoins.com/wp-content/uploads/dealer.pdf

    By my calculation, with spot at $25.45, the dealer was paying other dealers ~$3.60 per 40% Half (when selling at least $50 face value worth).

    (25.45-1.05)*.295 = $7.21 per $1 face value = ~$3.60 per half dollar
     
  13. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I actually walked in with 40, but only sold 20 of them because at that point I felt bad about laying them all on the table and taking them back. Lol.
     
  14. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Never feel bad about walking out on a bad deal.
    You know that shop owner didn't feel bad about taking you for a ride.
     
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  15. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    In the future, don't feel bad about taking something back if the offer is too low. It took the dealer minimal effort to quote you a price for 40 of the same type of coin.
     
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  16. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    That's a great way of looking at it. Never again...
     
  17. Evan Saltis

    Evan Saltis One Decade Collecting Supporter

    This is the type of person I am. TOtally what I'd do and I hate myself for it. I always have trouble saying no.
     
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  18. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Research
    https://www.usacoinbook.com/coins/2885/half-dollars/kennedy/1969-D/

    You left a little money on the table today.

    I got an email from Allstate car insurance company today with a due bill.
    Seems that when I (paid my policy in full for 6 months) then opted out of the auto pay option back in August 2020 (that auto dropped the discount)
    Cost me $40 extra didn't hear anything about it for 5 months?
    Still not exactly sure why that was an issue?

    You bet I'm going to complain about it and get a solid answer.
    Doubtful it will do any good as insurance companies are basically a one way street to throw away $$.
     
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  19. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Interesting. I work for geico, but in the claims department so not too familiar with billing.
    My guess is they do that normally, hope you don’t notice the extra (I’m sure many people don’t).
     
  20. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    40% trades at a discount, but not THAT much of a discount. I got 3x as a polite "don't want them, go away" offer at a local show when silver was around $16, and ended up selling them for around 4.1x, when "full melt" (as shown on Coinflation) would've been a bit under 5x. Today, I'd expect to get at least 6x at the show (if it hadn't been canceled).

    Selling 40% to a local shop is usually a losing proposition, because they don't want to deal with it. Apmex and JM Bullion pay much closer to melt, but at a minimum transaction of $1000 I think. (This is from a year or two ago, which was the last time I remember checking.)
     
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  21. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    Silver melt for the 40% halves are $3.75. That's 7 1/2x face.
     
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