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<p>[QUOTE="Cloudsweeper99, post: 1267863, member: 3011"]It isn't a fallacy. Stock returns are based on the return on capital earned by businesses. Over the long run, this has been something like 10-12% with part returned as dividends and part as growth of capital. Gold also has a return based on the depreciation of currencies. If currencies are depreciating by 10-12% then gold returns will be competitive with equities. Which is best depends on where you are in time. Coming out of the bull market of the 1990s when stock returns were very high and the economy was weakening, stocks got ahead of themselves and their earning power. Gold had been in a 20 year bear market and looked undervalued and due for a catch up. So for the past decade gold outperformed while stocks lagged. But now there are many perfectly sound and growing companies selling at 10-12 times earnings, and gold is selling well above the cost of production. So the probability that stocks will outperform gold over the next decade has increased tremendously compared to a few years ago.</p><p><br /></p><p>Could this turn out to be wrong? Of course. Nothing in investing is definite. Everything is based on probabilities. If regulatory or other conditions prevent corporations from earning a satisfactory return on capital, stocks will continue to languish. This could also happen if the enormous levels of debt cause a deflationary condition similar to Japan [a repeat of the 1930s seems unlikely]. If, on the other hand, the Fed inflates the currency at a rate sufficiently high to offset the deflationary impact of the debt, then gold might outperform stocks. I own both gold and stocks, but have been shifting money slowly from the gold side to the stock side because that's where the probability of gain seems to reside for the next decade. My equity investments are currently about 40% PMs and 60% stocks. I was a big buyer of gold and silver investments when gold was about $400 and silver was in single digits. But as conditions change, so must the analysis. I'd rather own selected large cap stocks with little or no debt and positive cash flow at 10-12X earnings with 4% dividend yields than gold at $1900.</p><p><br /></p><p>That's how I think about the situation, and what I am doing with my own money. Unlike many people here, I don't have a permanent love of gold to defend, and I'm not trying to earn bragging rights for selling exactly at the top. I'm just trying to earn a high rate of return on investment. Everyone must decide this for themselves. Keep in mind that stocks are generally the best buy when conditions appear worst. If you want to buy low and sell high, you have to buy when things look bad and sell when everything is going perfectly. This holds true for gold also.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you like gold and expect the collapse of stocks, by all means put all of your money into gold. I won't be following you.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Cloudsweeper99, post: 1267863, member: 3011"]It isn't a fallacy. Stock returns are based on the return on capital earned by businesses. Over the long run, this has been something like 10-12% with part returned as dividends and part as growth of capital. Gold also has a return based on the depreciation of currencies. If currencies are depreciating by 10-12% then gold returns will be competitive with equities. Which is best depends on where you are in time. Coming out of the bull market of the 1990s when stock returns were very high and the economy was weakening, stocks got ahead of themselves and their earning power. Gold had been in a 20 year bear market and looked undervalued and due for a catch up. So for the past decade gold outperformed while stocks lagged. But now there are many perfectly sound and growing companies selling at 10-12 times earnings, and gold is selling well above the cost of production. So the probability that stocks will outperform gold over the next decade has increased tremendously compared to a few years ago. Could this turn out to be wrong? Of course. Nothing in investing is definite. Everything is based on probabilities. If regulatory or other conditions prevent corporations from earning a satisfactory return on capital, stocks will continue to languish. This could also happen if the enormous levels of debt cause a deflationary condition similar to Japan [a repeat of the 1930s seems unlikely]. If, on the other hand, the Fed inflates the currency at a rate sufficiently high to offset the deflationary impact of the debt, then gold might outperform stocks. I own both gold and stocks, but have been shifting money slowly from the gold side to the stock side because that's where the probability of gain seems to reside for the next decade. My equity investments are currently about 40% PMs and 60% stocks. I was a big buyer of gold and silver investments when gold was about $400 and silver was in single digits. But as conditions change, so must the analysis. I'd rather own selected large cap stocks with little or no debt and positive cash flow at 10-12X earnings with 4% dividend yields than gold at $1900. That's how I think about the situation, and what I am doing with my own money. Unlike many people here, I don't have a permanent love of gold to defend, and I'm not trying to earn bragging rights for selling exactly at the top. I'm just trying to earn a high rate of return on investment. Everyone must decide this for themselves. Keep in mind that stocks are generally the best buy when conditions appear worst. If you want to buy low and sell high, you have to buy when things look bad and sell when everything is going perfectly. This holds true for gold also. If you like gold and expect the collapse of stocks, by all means put all of your money into gold. I won't be following you.[/QUOTE]
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