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<p>[QUOTE="Cloudsweeper99, post: 1208851, member: 3011"]It's okay for us to disagree. I wish I could explain it better. These ideas aren't mine and with some research you may find other economists who can explain it better.</p><p><br /></p><p>Regarding (1), the government can go into debt when it spends more than it taxes, or it can create new money. In fact, when the government goes into debt and the Fed purchases the debt, it is creating new money. What folks fail to see is that the creation of the debt is purely voluntary and does not have to be part of the money creation process.</p><p><br /></p><p>Regarding (2), when someone says it isn't possible, the more likely answer is that they just don't understand how it works. Human flight was impossible for a long time. You are correct that gold is debt free money, and if you take one more step forward in your thinking, you can realize that a US Note is also debt free money with the intrinsic value coming from a combination of government law requiring its acceptance and a requirement to pay all taxes with US Notes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Regarding (3), sometimes it is very difficult to unlearn something you were taught to believe that happens to be untrue. The folks who teach that it isn't possible are the same ones who benefit from the status quo. A lot of what passes for education is really teaching that the way things are is the only way they can possibly be, and that is a shame. The bankers are preaching that we can't survive without their debt, that only the bankers can create the magic that allows us to exist. As long as people believe them, we can never be free from debt bondage.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is about the best I can explain it, and I don't want to argue in circles so we'll have to leave things with your unbelief intact. I hope I've helped some readers of this thread to think about new possibilities for escaping the current mess before a crushing debt load destroys the nation. There is no way to salvage the present system, and if new ideas are not entertained, I'm afraid the worst predictions will come true. This would be a tragedy since there are multiple solutions right in front of us if we choose to see them.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Cloudsweeper99, post: 1208851, member: 3011"]It's okay for us to disagree. I wish I could explain it better. These ideas aren't mine and with some research you may find other economists who can explain it better. Regarding (1), the government can go into debt when it spends more than it taxes, or it can create new money. In fact, when the government goes into debt and the Fed purchases the debt, it is creating new money. What folks fail to see is that the creation of the debt is purely voluntary and does not have to be part of the money creation process. Regarding (2), when someone says it isn't possible, the more likely answer is that they just don't understand how it works. Human flight was impossible for a long time. You are correct that gold is debt free money, and if you take one more step forward in your thinking, you can realize that a US Note is also debt free money with the intrinsic value coming from a combination of government law requiring its acceptance and a requirement to pay all taxes with US Notes. Regarding (3), sometimes it is very difficult to unlearn something you were taught to believe that happens to be untrue. The folks who teach that it isn't possible are the same ones who benefit from the status quo. A lot of what passes for education is really teaching that the way things are is the only way they can possibly be, and that is a shame. The bankers are preaching that we can't survive without their debt, that only the bankers can create the magic that allows us to exist. As long as people believe them, we can never be free from debt bondage. This is about the best I can explain it, and I don't want to argue in circles so we'll have to leave things with your unbelief intact. I hope I've helped some readers of this thread to think about new possibilities for escaping the current mess before a crushing debt load destroys the nation. There is no way to salvage the present system, and if new ideas are not entertained, I'm afraid the worst predictions will come true. This would be a tragedy since there are multiple solutions right in front of us if we choose to see them.[/QUOTE]
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