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<p>[QUOTE="Numbers, post: 1207663, member: 11668"]Answering the last bit first: I'm not denying anybody the right to change the system. We the people (acting through Congress) created the system, and we the people (acting through Congress) can change it. What I'm saying is that (a) I don't see how your proposed changes would be improvements, and (b) if we *do* change the system, we're simply changing our minds, not triumphantly throwing off a system that was imposed on us by someone besides us.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the rest, you're drawing distinctions without differences:</p><p><br /></p><p>Federal Reserve Notes are backed by Treasury debt; United States Notes *are* Treasury debt (and saying they're not doesn't make it so). Thus the amount of debt is the same either way.</p><p><br /></p><p>The USNs are, as you say, interest-free. The bonds backing the FRNs pay interest--but that interest is paid to the Fed, and the Fed's profits go to the Treasury. So with USNs the government pays no interest, and with FRNs the government pays interest to itself. The result is the same either way.</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't see what my arguments in favor of FRNs have in common with gold advocates' arguments against FRNs. For the first two decades of their existence, FRNs were redeemable in gold anyway--and during the same era, USNs were exchangeable for gold as well. Ever since gold was removed from circulation in 1933, it's certainly true that FRNs and USNs are very different from a gold-backed currency...but again, that's something that FRNs and USNs have in common. You're still not finding any practical *difference* between FRNs and USNs that would motivate a switch from one to the other.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Numbers, post: 1207663, member: 11668"]Answering the last bit first: I'm not denying anybody the right to change the system. We the people (acting through Congress) created the system, and we the people (acting through Congress) can change it. What I'm saying is that (a) I don't see how your proposed changes would be improvements, and (b) if we *do* change the system, we're simply changing our minds, not triumphantly throwing off a system that was imposed on us by someone besides us. As for the rest, you're drawing distinctions without differences: Federal Reserve Notes are backed by Treasury debt; United States Notes *are* Treasury debt (and saying they're not doesn't make it so). Thus the amount of debt is the same either way. The USNs are, as you say, interest-free. The bonds backing the FRNs pay interest--but that interest is paid to the Fed, and the Fed's profits go to the Treasury. So with USNs the government pays no interest, and with FRNs the government pays interest to itself. The result is the same either way. I don't see what my arguments in favor of FRNs have in common with gold advocates' arguments against FRNs. For the first two decades of their existence, FRNs were redeemable in gold anyway--and during the same era, USNs were exchangeable for gold as well. Ever since gold was removed from circulation in 1933, it's certainly true that FRNs and USNs are very different from a gold-backed currency...but again, that's something that FRNs and USNs have in common. You're still not finding any practical *difference* between FRNs and USNs that would motivate a switch from one to the other.[/QUOTE]
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