How high could the 2012 Silver Eagle Set go?

Then what are you doing participating in this thread? The topic is:

How high could the 2012 Silver Eagle Set go?​

Chris,

Flippers are a part of this hobby and have the same right as any other to participate on this forum. Maybe the same people keep showing up because they are a part of this sub-group of people that buy/flip silver and gold coins or enjoy the discussion on how the market reacts. Whether they make money or lose money I could care less, they understand the risks or at least should. If they want to have their discussion on the issue of mintage or performance or anything else related, that's their business. If you feel it redundant, don't participate. If enough others follow suit, the threads will not last long. My bet is that the threads will continue to repeat themselves because that is human nature and nothing you are going to say will change that. Doesn't change the fact they are entitled to have the discussion.

 

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REALLY - If the comments were made in the context of comparing disciplines, then I would agree. They were not and had nothing to do with the topic so they were removed. If you would like to start a topic comparing the two (as you seem to understand the comparisons) I am sure the thread would be interesting and I would certainly read it and do nothing to moderate it as long as it related to bullion investing.

The posts I did leave in the thread at least tried to make some relationship to the topic, so I left them as they were.

Got up on the left side, same as any other day

 

You're missing my point. I'm not dictating what others can discuss, nor that these topics totally fail to inspire me to participate. Nor do I believe such topics will stop of their own accord let alone after I make effort to point out the redundant nature of the commentaries made in such threads. My point is pointing out the lack of new ideas one finds in these threads, that from one product to the next, the repeating of the same old patterns about the sales and after market sales will take never differs. One could swap the BSA for the Braille for the Pucks for the commemorative of the month and it's all the same banter. That it purports to be about performance of any kind fails as well since you get a pile of comments from those who spread the hype but then fall back and suggest they aren't buying into the ideas they are pushing in their chatter. Of course anyone is entitled to have the discussion, as much as I have can implore them to bring more meat to the discussion where I see it deficient.

 

Still, even though a topic seems to be veering off topic, prematurely curtailing the discussion to entirely exclude a topic should be considered as it may be preventing the topic from coming around to a more serious tie-in to the thread after a few more posts.

A lefty eh! (jk)

 

The problem is there is no more meat to discuss when it comes to this topic. It's redundant because the questions do not change - how many and how much. It's just that simple - and redundant. (I agree) That having been said, that's why I also participate in many other areas where there is more depth. That is why I keep saying, just let these guys have their conversation and enjoy the other parts of the forum that are more interesting to you. At the end of the day, who cares who hypes what and what they personally claim to do or not do. Life is to short to worry about it. As long as it conforms to the rules of the forum ~ the discussion continues.

 

I'm not worried at all, quite happy in my collecting and also equally interested in any topic related to these series that I also collect. I've contribute to these discussions by pointed out how the public discussion itself works to undermine some people's goals with modern product releases at obtaining lower mintage coins and getting hold of flipping opportunities because they contribute to generating interest in the pieces which inspires sales and drives up mintage reducing demand in the aftermarket.

 

That is the problem with the internet - before it existed the hype was generated in local clubs, advertising, and other less invasive means. In this day and age the public is repeatedly hit over the head with public discussion driving up demand. In the end it is likely to hurt the value of these modern coins. For those that join the hobby because they like the coins, and idea of collecting them hopefully helps the growth/health of the hobby.

Short term I see these doubling in value, over the long haul I'll be happy if my kids get out of them what I put in. Regardless most of mine are for my collection and enjoyment, not for sale. I did buy two of these and will eventually flip my second set. Not something I have done before and something I see as a bigger risk than last years set.

 

I'm on the outside looking in, I didn't buy any.

IMO there will be 4 winners on these.

1. U.S. Mint
2. USPS
3. Ebay/ PayPal
4. PCGS/NGC

The above 4 had everything to do with me not buying BUT I was in for the flip only. The true ASE collector did well if he got a few sets. I hope they send y'all some good ones quick.....JMO.

 

Got that right, who cares life is definitely too short. Besides, I gotta get back to that honey do list. Arghhh!!

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what I'm getting here is that if krispy doesn't share your opinion, your opinion doesn't belong here.

 

Yeah - that wasn't a good decision. I have never publically disagreed with a moderator decision before, but I think I should politely do so here. Thread drift is a natural part of all human conversation, especially if beer is involved. The original point is now no longer even coherently understandable, and in fact, completely changes the meaning of the thread from retorting wild speculation of the US mint product, to open avocation of such speculation, this time of Perth products, rather than US Mint products. Regardless, you changed the meaning of both threads and reduced the quality of the conversation and information it provided. This is a very bad choice.

Ruben

 

That was bad.

 

Everyone is allowed to have an opinion and share it here as it pertains to the OP topic.

What I will not put up with is members telling others they cannot make predictions without showing a level of commitment to the prediction by purchasing and then proving the prediction is correct. That's nothing but bullying in my opinion. I would have said the same as a moderator or as a member. The thread is how high will these go, if you want to participate in the thread just to pick on members, I am going to have something to say about it. If you have a differing opinion that is something entirely different as long as you share it in a constructive manner.

The interesting thing to note is you haven't voiced an opinion on the future value of these sets other than to say opinions of the members here are not worth the dime. Now how would you feel if I took the approach to say I think the same of your opinion? I don't feel that way and that's why I am taking time out of my weekend to explain my conversation with Chris and anyone else that felt like they could just join a thread to pick on other members.

Why can't we just all get along!

 

Pretty much. All I see is someone on a high horse pretty much insulting everyone that doesn't share his opinion...

The forum is called "bullion investing", and last I checked, these are bullion rounds, and this topic is about a certain type of bullion.

I can understand the reasoning behind collecting because you like the item and not caring about price changes...but also last I checked, part of investing is an expectation of price appreciation. Or at the very least price stability, otherwise why would anyone invest in bullion, housing, stocks, or anything else?

 

Ruben

How did "you should buy this world coin" relate to "how high will these go"? I saw it nothing more than lets hijack this thread to promote something entirely different. It didn't make sense in this thread and there have already been comments in it's own thread that relate to the topic areich wished to promote. I could go into any thread and do the same thing with any other collectible item and make the argument that it's related to the OP. Doesn't mean it right or fair to the original poster that wanted to have a discussion related to this one topic. Thread drift is one thing, high jacking a thread is something else. It had nothing to do with the OP so I moved it. Sorry if you do not agree.

 

Well it hardly comes as a surprize to me to have found you promoting something you couldn't vouch for when pressed on the topics and sidestepping the discussion with an excuse that you should be tending to something else anyway. Sure, blame your wife. What a convenient out that is...

Okay, I'll correct you because you haven't gotten anything right here from misunderstanding my comments. My only comment on 'opinions', which isn't original to this thread and would include my own if I were expressing any, is that opinions aren't worth anything and so lend no basis to predicting the outcome of investments nor how collectible material fares in the near or long run, per the ongoing topic of this or similar cumulative threads on the subject.

What you've entirely missed in taking your moment to post anything but a comment that would be beneficial to the thread, let alone on-topic, is an inaccurate assessment of my comments. You've missed the point of mine being a cautionary one about discussing something that only serves to undermine the intention of many seeking financial rewards of some kind before such opportunities can be realised. Talking up low mintage or flipping opportunities only attracts attention to the very thing one would attempt to benefit from, driving up sales, increasing mintages, and driving down or driving away aftermarket demand necessary for such resale success. It's pretty simple, to understand that what a person is engaged in doing for a profit is more profitable when it goes unspoken until after the fact, if even then. And that after the fact of one's financial successes collecting and reselling, they can manage to prove their success by personal examples of their own completed sales, and the extent of risk they took and benefited from.

 

I didn't promote anything. I successfully made the point that if the US mint product is of a low mintage and in high demand, the asserting that was made, and will push its prices up, another assertion, that the Perth product was
more so and in fact sold out faster and likely to have more pented up demand and by that logic, would have a
higher ceiling and be a lower risk. This is a standard logic and breaking point a from point b completely changed the meaning of what I said. The further discussion as to acquisition, while thread drift, underscored the point even
more and enriched the discussion and I might point out, that as usual, the OP is the last to complain about the driftor discussion. It is always some third party with an ax to grind.

 

That's not bullying so don't confuse it with that grossly misunderstood application of that particular term. What it is, is asking someone to show support for the merit of their past experience and current comments of prediction. Without some basis therein they are just repeating in hopeful boastful kind to the regular run up cheers of new products and expecting with great optimism an easy return on investment. It amounts to a bunch of gas bags and hot air that can never draw a successful conclusion, and as I stated, don't but time and time again, appear to promote these 'opportunities'. You wouldn't invest with a trading firm that couldn't explain their approach and show they'd managed to draw returns on investment for themselves and other customers, even if as they do in real trading, disclaim their liability when recommendations can't meet expectations due to various market conditions.

I've already responded about the 'opinion' matter given in threads, which is why I strive to avoid relying on them. I realize how weak opinions are for their equality amongst all who wield them. It's much harder to have a discussion and not fall back on opinion to support statements and one's thinking. That gets at the crux of my gripes over posts lacking quality and an entire thread ending up as a bunch of hot air floating on opinionated banter. But as I've stated, challenge that notion and you are greeted with hecklers and moBeration for being controversial by suggesting such.

 

Let me attempt an on-topic summary, without the extra pages of discourse about what sort of discourse about discourse is appropriate in which forum:

If you think there's a chance to profit from an opportunity that most people are overlooking, it's unwise to point out that opportunity on a discussion forum. You should instead keep it to yourself, and only brag about it afterward.

Does that about sum things up?

 

You're wrong again Krispy. I am sticking to what I say, the price will go up. I'm not gonna argue with you about it. Been there and I've done that. I've seen you try to do it with other people as well. Why can't you simply agree to disagree and let it go at that? Well that's what I'm gonna do. I am not gonna beat a dead horse. The moderator stepped in for all the right reasons as I'm sure he's seen you intentionally get on people's nerves in the past.