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<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 536154, member: 13650"]What exactly would give you that indication at this point? Many large companies are more than likely not going to make it through 2009. They're going to go away and they won't be available to invest in anymore. </p><p><br /></p><p> I think everybody has gotten way to use to quick fixes and expect this to be one as well. It wouldn't surprise me to see the dow hit the 4ks before this hits bottom.</p><p><br /></p><p> We may not be going back to the economy we used to have for a long time. This was an inflated economy that RELIED HEAVILY on consumer loans and credit cards for people to have spending power, far beyond what they made. Now these places are reeling in credit lines, closing accounts, not offering loans and dropping customers.</p><p><br /></p><p> They got burned bad and policies are probably going to change big time. The free money era could be over for a long time. With people finally getting back to what may be called reasonable spending habits with credit far more limited, I would not expect to see the stock market come roaring back any time soon. Without consumer spending like we had, everything grinds to a halt. As we've seen, it branches out and touches all sectors. Not to mention all the existing debt sitting out there that finally has to be dealt with or all the people who have lost jobs and devastated their credit. These people are done buying. The housing crisis isn't going away. We'll be feeling that for a long time to come. The government can try to absorb it and make it disappear, but it doesn't just disappear. Somebody loses big time. </p><p><br /></p><p> This is more than an economic downturn, just waiting for summer to get here. I'd have to say this is more like a once in a century event. They'll either straighten it out with stimulus or not. We've got a 50/50 chance. Trying to be optimistic about it doesn't physically fix the mess.</p><p><br /></p><p> As for gold? Who knows? Wildly unpredictable and nothing would surprise me. Everything has gone down 2 days in a row. Stocks, PMs, oil. Everything simultaneously goes down on a regular basis. I don't have an explanation. Maybe someone else does. </p><p><br /></p><p> But, I would very highly doubt that after seeing what gold has done and the still fresh anticipation of where it could be headed as a result of the inflation we are now facing......I highly doubt there's going to be anyone willing to let an ounce of gold go for less than 800 throughout 2009. And I think even that is wishful thinking. Simply wishing for it to go lower "just because", is a pipe dream, IMO. I see no reason for why it would crash. More indicators that it will increase than decrease if not just over the speculation. People are going to hold. Even if it dropped to 500 I don't see many people willing to dump at that level. Not now after sustaining 900-1000 for this long. More than likely, I say it will sustain around that range most of the year. Then next year could get real interesting.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 536154, member: 13650"]What exactly would give you that indication at this point? Many large companies are more than likely not going to make it through 2009. They're going to go away and they won't be available to invest in anymore. I think everybody has gotten way to use to quick fixes and expect this to be one as well. It wouldn't surprise me to see the dow hit the 4ks before this hits bottom. We may not be going back to the economy we used to have for a long time. This was an inflated economy that RELIED HEAVILY on consumer loans and credit cards for people to have spending power, far beyond what they made. Now these places are reeling in credit lines, closing accounts, not offering loans and dropping customers. They got burned bad and policies are probably going to change big time. The free money era could be over for a long time. With people finally getting back to what may be called reasonable spending habits with credit far more limited, I would not expect to see the stock market come roaring back any time soon. Without consumer spending like we had, everything grinds to a halt. As we've seen, it branches out and touches all sectors. Not to mention all the existing debt sitting out there that finally has to be dealt with or all the people who have lost jobs and devastated their credit. These people are done buying. The housing crisis isn't going away. We'll be feeling that for a long time to come. The government can try to absorb it and make it disappear, but it doesn't just disappear. Somebody loses big time. This is more than an economic downturn, just waiting for summer to get here. I'd have to say this is more like a once in a century event. They'll either straighten it out with stimulus or not. We've got a 50/50 chance. Trying to be optimistic about it doesn't physically fix the mess. As for gold? Who knows? Wildly unpredictable and nothing would surprise me. Everything has gone down 2 days in a row. Stocks, PMs, oil. Everything simultaneously goes down on a regular basis. I don't have an explanation. Maybe someone else does. But, I would very highly doubt that after seeing what gold has done and the still fresh anticipation of where it could be headed as a result of the inflation we are now facing......I highly doubt there's going to be anyone willing to let an ounce of gold go for less than 800 throughout 2009. And I think even that is wishful thinking. Simply wishing for it to go lower "just because", is a pipe dream, IMO. I see no reason for why it would crash. More indicators that it will increase than decrease if not just over the speculation. People are going to hold. Even if it dropped to 500 I don't see many people willing to dump at that level. Not now after sustaining 900-1000 for this long. More than likely, I say it will sustain around that range most of the year. Then next year could get real interesting.[/QUOTE]
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