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<p>[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1166367, member: 19065"]It's not just a matter of business, profits and competing for those profits. There is a much bigger picture and other aspects to consider.</p><p><br /></p><p>MCM's offer subverts the 1/HH rule in a big way. The rule was imposed by the Mint to make high demand, low mintage coin releases more fairly and EVENLY distributed among the buying public at the fairest price. MCM are playing the Mint's system brazenly and will increase the challenge that individual collectors have at obtaining these coins, and raise the premium on buying them as well. The commission MCM are offering for these will further flood the phones and servers at the Mint on release day. This will tax the system and frustrate the Mint's customers. People who don't care about the coins but want a meager reward will be <i>inspired</i> to profit, buying from the Mint and flipping to MCM for nominal gains where MCM stands to make much more. This is only the first coin in the series, and if future coins after 2010 have low mintages, this idea will continue to attract flippers and particularly dealers vying for the customers and those profits. Dealer competition will price out the individual and further subvert the fairness the Mint attempted to sell the product to the public. Where does it end? It ends with the Mint doing nothing to prevent the dealers from acting this way because they can't really. The Mint will simply increase mintage, and perhaps even increase unit costs per coin if there appears to be buyers willing to pay more than the Mint charges currently, which there appears to be at least 400 by MCMs immediate estimation. In short order, this hurts everyone, including MCM seeking profit and happy customers. No one gains from this sort of preemptive profiteering and the artificial creation of a higher premium market for these products. The entire plan is short lived, and we end up with a surplus of coins, which will be yet another modern precious metals composition collector coin release, getting minted into the millions where a few key coins exist at prices few can afford, the rest effectively creating more over priced pretty looking bullion that no one wants for anything but spot value down the years.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, individuals also know how to and <i>do indeed </i>get more than 1/HH from the Mint using multiple addresses and friends/family for buying assistance. Yes they profit well too and even manage to get keeper sets virtually free of charge from flipping. However, individuals do not rake in hundreds of units each of these coins. This is the first 2010 "P" AtB coin release of five to come in this low mintage. MCM are seeking 400 coins (from this round) <i>and 800 "happy customers"</i>, that is, those who sell to the coins to MCM (400 sellers) and those who buy them from MCM (400 buyers at above Mint list price inflated prices). How and who will monitor that MCM "only" buys 400 coins? No one will, and no one can do anything about it if they do manage to obtain many times more this amount. </p><p><br /></p><p>MCM must really think their 400 buying agents are fools. Do they seriously think buyers can't sense the potential gains here? Individuals flipping the coins themselves can pocket more than $50 that MCM said they will dole out. There are already pre-sales on eBay asking for more than MCM will pay you, not that I agree with them either as they haven't got the coins in hand. But, soon will come the "in-hand" sellers with confirmed Mint orders and they too will ask more than MCM are paying. The potential gains MCM seeks to reap will be multiples beyond that $50 commission paid to an individual. </p><p><br /></p><p>There are so many ways MCM do not respect this hobby, valuation of these collectibles, the Mint's rules, nor consider the deeper effect they will have as other big dealers attempt the same thing...</p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, MCM have enjoyed a fine reputation and provide a nice service to collectors of modern US Mint products, but this approach goes beyond respect within the hobby and ethical marketing. Anyone who considers taking the MCM offer should ask themselves why they shouldn't resell the coin for more themselves if MCM is so confident they will do well with the coins they have graded and flip. Ask them to increase the commission from $50, but don't sell yourselves short, if considering their deal.</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, this is just my humble opinion in the context of this discussion.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="krispy, post: 1166367, member: 19065"]It's not just a matter of business, profits and competing for those profits. There is a much bigger picture and other aspects to consider. MCM's offer subverts the 1/HH rule in a big way. The rule was imposed by the Mint to make high demand, low mintage coin releases more fairly and EVENLY distributed among the buying public at the fairest price. MCM are playing the Mint's system brazenly and will increase the challenge that individual collectors have at obtaining these coins, and raise the premium on buying them as well. The commission MCM are offering for these will further flood the phones and servers at the Mint on release day. This will tax the system and frustrate the Mint's customers. People who don't care about the coins but want a meager reward will be [I]inspired[/I] to profit, buying from the Mint and flipping to MCM for nominal gains where MCM stands to make much more. This is only the first coin in the series, and if future coins after 2010 have low mintages, this idea will continue to attract flippers and particularly dealers vying for the customers and those profits. Dealer competition will price out the individual and further subvert the fairness the Mint attempted to sell the product to the public. Where does it end? It ends with the Mint doing nothing to prevent the dealers from acting this way because they can't really. The Mint will simply increase mintage, and perhaps even increase unit costs per coin if there appears to be buyers willing to pay more than the Mint charges currently, which there appears to be at least 400 by MCMs immediate estimation. In short order, this hurts everyone, including MCM seeking profit and happy customers. No one gains from this sort of preemptive profiteering and the artificial creation of a higher premium market for these products. The entire plan is short lived, and we end up with a surplus of coins, which will be yet another modern precious metals composition collector coin release, getting minted into the millions where a few key coins exist at prices few can afford, the rest effectively creating more over priced pretty looking bullion that no one wants for anything but spot value down the years. Yes, individuals also know how to and [I]do indeed [/I]get more than 1/HH from the Mint using multiple addresses and friends/family for buying assistance. Yes they profit well too and even manage to get keeper sets virtually free of charge from flipping. However, individuals do not rake in hundreds of units each of these coins. This is the first 2010 "P" AtB coin release of five to come in this low mintage. MCM are seeking 400 coins (from this round) [I]and 800 "happy customers"[/I], that is, those who sell to the coins to MCM (400 sellers) and those who buy them from MCM (400 buyers at above Mint list price inflated prices). How and who will monitor that MCM "only" buys 400 coins? No one will, and no one can do anything about it if they do manage to obtain many times more this amount. MCM must really think their 400 buying agents are fools. Do they seriously think buyers can't sense the potential gains here? Individuals flipping the coins themselves can pocket more than $50 that MCM said they will dole out. There are already pre-sales on eBay asking for more than MCM will pay you, not that I agree with them either as they haven't got the coins in hand. But, soon will come the "in-hand" sellers with confirmed Mint orders and they too will ask more than MCM are paying. The potential gains MCM seeks to reap will be multiples beyond that $50 commission paid to an individual. There are so many ways MCM do not respect this hobby, valuation of these collectibles, the Mint's rules, nor consider the deeper effect they will have as other big dealers attempt the same thing... Yes, MCM have enjoyed a fine reputation and provide a nice service to collectors of modern US Mint products, but this approach goes beyond respect within the hobby and ethical marketing. Anyone who considers taking the MCM offer should ask themselves why they shouldn't resell the coin for more themselves if MCM is so confident they will do well with the coins they have graded and flip. Ask them to increase the commission from $50, but don't sell yourselves short, if considering their deal. Of course, this is just my humble opinion in the context of this discussion.[/QUOTE]
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